Comment on Automakers Are Sharing Consumers’ Driving Behavior With Insurance Companies

phoneymouse@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• feannag@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Not sure if you’ve seen this, but all cars are bad. It’s Official: Cars Are the Worst Product Category We Have Ever Reviewed for Privacy

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• A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  If you dont want to be digitally tracked, then you better figure out how a carburetor works and buy only old cars for the rest of your life.

  cause every modern car has this shit, if not now, then soon.

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  • FilterItOut@thelemmy.club ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I think a carburetor is a bit much. There are plenty of fuel injected machines that were built before insane spying became the new normal.

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  • grue@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    There’s about a 20-year window when cars had fuel injection but no tracking. All my cars are from within that window.

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    • r00ty@kbin.life ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Cars have had engine management since the 90s too. I remember my Ford (UK) from 1998 had engine management (including the key based transponder to immobilise the ECU). My current car is around 9 years old and doesn't have any internet connectivity. So, there's a pretty wide range to work with.

      But, yeah eventually the cars that don't invade your privacy will become not economically viable to keep running in most cases.

      But really, it won't matter in this case. Once more than half the cars on the road are reporting you to big brother insurance co, the insurers will just add a surcharge for vehicles that don't report data on you.

      Not to mention all the other increasing routes for personal data to be extracted and sold.

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      • grue@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        But, yeah eventually the cars that don’t invade your privacy will become not economically viable to keep running in most cases.

        My strategy is to pick “enthusiast” cars (which works out for me, being a car enthusiast) that will always be worth something to other enthusiasts.

        But really, it won’t matter in this case. Once more than half the cars on the road are reporting you to big brother insurance co, the insurers will just add a surcharge for vehicles that don’t report data on you.

        Is !angryupvote a thing on Lemmy yet?

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      • mx_smith@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Actually you can find many videos on YouTube that show how to disable the OnStar transmitter and you can always wrap those internal antennae in foil.

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  • cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    My 95 Integra was EFI and didn’t track me.

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  • Socsa@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’m sure it’s only a matter of time before someone make a flipper zero plugin to sanitize canbus data.

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    • skulblaka@startrek.website ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      So if your MAF sensor shits the bed you’ll never know about it because you’re overwriting its data. And from there it’s only a matter of time before your car requires dealership service to turn on because it can’t phone home properly because some bullshit proprietary data key is broken.

      The game of cat and mouse will continue. People will hack their cars and manufacturers will install anti-hacking measures and then people will hack the anti-hacking measures. It’s just another thing where instead of being a mutually beneficial transaction it will become a hostile arms race between the consumers and manufacturers. We’re already on this path; the only real hope I’m holding out for is the advent of an open source car.

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• BakerBagel@midwest.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Literally EVERY car manufacturer is doing this. Nissan and Kia both explicitly claim access to all data about your sex life they can access. For all we know, they could be reading through your text messages and dating app profiles everytime your phone is connected to the car.

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• wesker@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Hate to break it to you, but you’ll essentially need to avoid all new cars. For example, Subaru has been collecting data on people fucking in their cars.

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  • tal@lemmy.today ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    No, they just said that they reserved the right to obtain and sell data on user sexual activity in the privacy policy. There’s no reason to believe that they’ve actually done that or that it was specifically sexual activity in cars; the same policy could cover, say, driving to a motel for a tryst.

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• LesserAbe@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Needs legislation! When everybody’s doing it and people need to get around, there should be privacy by law

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