Comment on Zionists doing a rave to block aid trucks at Ker Shalom crossing while Palestinians are starving
SuckMyWang@lemmy.world 4 months agoI think they may be viewing it as more of an act of defiance and retribution for the rave hamas murdered all those innocent people at. If you view it as an isolated thing happening during a “war” then it really makes no sense.
livus@kbin.social 4 months ago
It makes no sense anyway. Hamas murdered innocent people so they want to ...murder more innocent people.
chillhelm@lemmy.world 4 months ago
It makes perfect sense. It’s not constructive, effective or helping to move towards any kind of resolution of this conflict, but on a personal level, it does make sense.
I think, as far as regular people go, at this stage both sides in the conflict are primarily motivated by revenge. We can dress it all up with fancy words of occupation, injustice, national self defense or whatever your chosen flavor of ideology is in this conflict. But for regular everyday people in the region the primary reason why they want to see the other regular people die is revenge.
small44@lemmy.world 4 months ago
With that logic doesn’t that makes hamas targeting Israel civilians makes perfect sense since they are living under colonization?
awwwyissss@lemm.ee 4 months ago
Yes, that’s how it works. Neither side are frothing-at-the-mouth insane, they’re actions make sense to them under their limited perspectives.
livus@kbin.social 4 months ago
@chillhelm I guess. There are probably plenty of ordinary humans who empathise with other civilians there too, it's just we don't hear so much about those.
I knew a woman whose husband was held prisoner by the Axis during WWII Her response was to go every weekend to a POW camp of "enemy" soldiers and bring them food, chocolate etc, since they were in the same situation as her husband. That, is also part of human nature, just not the side the war monger$ like to encourage.
taladar@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
That is really the tragedy about the whole thing. A small warmongering minority on both sides pulls in people who really just want to live in peace and safety and have enough to eat, a roof over their head,… who are likely the vast majority on both sides.
DdCno1@kbin.social 4 months ago
These protests were started by families of hostages who are still in Gaza. They don't want any supplies into Gaza until all hostages are released, because they fear that most of the aid will be stolen by Hamas anyway and used to prolong the war.
mathemachristian@lemm.ee 4 months ago
How the fuck is hamas prolonging the genocide, fuck outta here
Uranium3006@kbin.social 4 months ago
What are they afraid that they're going to throw loaves of bread and first aid kits at Israeli soldiers? Knock it the fuck off
DdCno1@kbin.social 4 months ago
Hamas has consistently stolen aid meant for civilians:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/gaza-aid-trucks-stolen-by-gunmen-and-looted-as-convoys-start-crossing-from-israel/
Before you scoff at the source, there's video evidence included in the article that is impossible to deny.
It should be pretty obvious that food, medical supplies and fuel are needed by fighters as well and in much larger quantities per person.
This is a difficult problem to solve. Personally, I would still send supplies though, hoping that at least some of them reach civilians who need them, but I can understand the frustration of people who are personally affected by this war. This aid unfortunately does have a not just theoretical chance of prolonging the conflict, enabling the besieged terrorist organization to hold out for longer, which in turn means more suffering not just for hostages and Israelis who only just recently have seen a reduction in rocket attacks, but also for Palestinian civilians, who are caught between a rock (IDF) and a hard place (Hamas) for as long as the fighting continues.
Here's the moral conundrum: Let's say we could determine with near certainty that halting aid would shorten the war, even if it resulted in a temporary increase in human suffering due to increased shortages. If the total amount of human suffering would be lower as a result, due to the war being over sooner, would it be the right moral choice, even if people end up suffering more for a brief amount of time? Think of it as a variation of the trolley problem.
livus@kbin.social 4 months ago
@DdCno1 I wonder what they imagine the hostages are eating.
What is happening to the hostages when they are being bombed by that psychopath Netanyahu.
I knew a woman whose husband was held prisoner by the Axis during WWII Her response was to go every weekend to a POW camp of "enemy" soldiers and bring them food, chocolate etc, since they were in the same situation as her husband.
DdCno1@kbin.social 4 months ago
Based on what surviving hostages have reported and going by the fact that medication meant for them never reached them, not much.
For as much of a bastard as Netanyahu is, you can't fight a modern war effectively without bombs (or else you get stagnation like in Ukraine, where air defenses on both sides make use of bombers difficult to impossible) and the hostages wouldn't be in danger of getting bombed in the first place if Hamas hadn't abducted them from their homes and started this war.