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• Maximilious@kbin.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Yes you can. It requires those docker containers to be installed and plugged into it on a stand alone system. This is exactly what HAOS is doing behind the scenes for is users and why many stick with it.

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• infeeeee@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Addons are just other containers, you can run them next to ha

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  • peter@feddit.uk ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You don’t get the direct integration then though, as far as I’m aware there’s no way to manually setup an addon

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    • infeeeee@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      What direct integration? You get a button on the UI, vs you do everything the way you want.

      HAOS is intended for people who want everything to just work, without much fiddling. If you need something more, you need a docker based install. You can do everything there and even more, but you have to set it up manually.

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      • helenslunch@feddit.nl ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        HAOS is intended for people who want everything to just work, without much fiddling.

        AHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHA

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• vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Add ons are just shitty packaging of other software. Just run the other software directly.

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• aksdb@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  What kind of addons? I have HACS and it works fine.

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  • JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    • No backup solutions besides manual backing up and then setting up baremetal backing up

    • no configuration editor

    • HACS works, but no custom addons

    • manual configuration of esphome/nodered/mosquitto (I prefer this though)

    I prefer docker because it is comfortable for me and I run all my services on one server, but it is indeed a bit less easy.

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    • aksdb@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      When I host multiple services, I need to back them up as well. I simply mount all data volumes of all containers into a unified location that gets backed up by kopia every hour.

      Since the volume is directly on disk, I also didn’t have any problems editing configuration files.

      The things I see listed as addons on the website are dedicated services anyway, that have images of their own you can easily spin up as containers.

      I think if someone is advanced enough to want to run HASS on their own together with other stuff, they prefer to have more control anyway.

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      • JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        For sure, but the point is that it isn’t integrated into homeassistant.

        For many people, they want to do everything from homeassistant. You can always have kludged together solutions. I edit my configs with VIM and backup to my central backup location via an automation. However, this is doing things outside of homeassistant that many people find inconvenient.

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    • hai@lemmy.ml ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I prefer docker because it is comfortable for me and I run all my services on one server, but it is indeed a bit less easy.

      Reading all of these replying I’m starting to think that maybe my problem was assuming that because add-ons are Docker container they should be treated as such.

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• hai@lemmy.ml ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Yes and no. If you want a really simple setup HAOS add-ons are amazing, but as soon as you want to run something someone else hasn’t created a container for you’re stuck doing extra work than just writing a Dockerfile or docker-compose. Plus, you can’t setup networks between them and (as mentioned in the original post) sharing drives can be hackish as well.

  The (grim) reason had I tried HAOS was because of the promise of something really simple that my family could figure out if something ever happened to me.

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• Celestus@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Home Assistant OS add-ons are usually just repackaged and pre-configured Docker containers. The only thing the add-ons system really gives you is convenience

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• sabreW4K3@lemmy.tf ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  There’s alternative installation methods.

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