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z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

I’m sorry, but as a cis heterosexual man who has trans friends and has turned away from all things Harry Potter and JK Rowling in utter disgust, this strikes me as attempting to ignore the obvious transphobia of the TERF author in the hope of keeping your head in the sand and residing in a place of nostalgia solely because transgendered people aren’t the majority.

I get your desire to grow the Fediverse, but if you want to create a community around a fandom, perhaps you should choose a piece of media that embraces inclusion rather than one that is simply popular?

Stop looking into your past fandoms with nostalgic rose tinted glasses, acknowledge that you can’t have Hogwartz without the hatred, and find media that is straight up more inclusive.

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kawa@reddeet.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Damn, you gotts love those shortcuts. You love HP ? You’re a transphobe biggot horrible person. Come on, grow up.

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- z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Nah. Didn’t call uou or amyone else a transphobe. Did i? Make your case that you’re not simply wanting to enjoy HP while ignoring how hurtful JK’s rhetoric has been to the trans community. You’re turning a blind eye to the pain a minority community is enduring. That doesn’t make you a transohobe, that makes you indifferent to the harm that trans people have and will continue endure because of JK’s transphobic bigotry.
  
  The company you keep isn’t inherently transphobic, but it does show you don’t care about this particular issue, which puts you in the company of transphobes. Again, the company you keep reflects on your character. And I personally find that crowd distasteful, and I’m on the internet expressing it as such until the conversation ends.
  
  I await another one of your witty retorts.
  
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  - NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    So the trans people that still like Harry Potter don’t mean anything?
    
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    kawa@reddeet.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Welp, they’re not trans anymore aparently
    
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berg@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Holy fuck. I like Harry Potter and want to speak about it, so what? Because JK made a few announcements? Words do damage and I get that it’s already hard being trans and she isn’t helping. But acting like this is well just build more walls, dividing an already fucked humankind for no good reason.

I respect anyone’s choice to be trans, but then you’ll have to let me discuss HP without judgement as well. And if you won’t, then you’re the problem. Because I will still respect anyone trans, but I won’t respect you.

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- Deceptichum@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  for no good reason.
  
  Seems like a pretty good to reason.
  
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  - berg@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I don’t mean you can’t choose to not associate. What I’m hinting at is that you can disassociate with a group without the drama. HP fans aren’t all bigots, that’s obvious right? I like Wagner’s music, I’m not a fucking Nazi. It’s such a weird hill to die on with everything going on.
    
    And choice to be trans? I dunno if it’s a choice anymore than I “choose” to love the same sex.
    
    It’s not the point, and I hope you got that but just couldn’t leave without slapping my wrist.
    
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    z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Yeah words matter. But thanks for clarifying it wasn’t your point.
    
    Nobody’s gonna call you a Nazi for liking Wagner. But I will say you like a Nazi’s music and if you start hanging out with other Wagner enthisiasts, you might very well find yourself in the company of Nazis. Sure they aren’t all Nazis, and I’m sure that if you were to find out some or most of them were ,you’d rightly distance yourself from the group.
    
    My original argument isn’t about the quality of the works in question, it’s about whether it’s okay to ignore the hateful rhetoric of JKR and the harm she causes trans people with said rhetoric, solely in the interest of creating and engaging in community around her work.
    
    It’s insensitive to a group already marginalized in societies at large because to form a community around HP inherently excludes them, not because trans people can’t see the value in HP or it’s literary quality, but because they can’t disassociate the work from the author because the author targeted them specifically, and in recent memory.
    
    Additionally, Wagner, while a controversial figure as Hitler’s favorite musician, was never explicitly anti-semitic. The same cannot be said of JK Rowling and her transphobic rhetoric. So the comparison isn’t quite as astute as you might believe it to be.
    
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- z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Yeah you obviously like of Harry Potter. I don’t think I questioned that?
  
  Secondly yeah the human race particularly duvided right now, but trying to rally humanity around a brand founded by an outspoken outright TERF who has done real harm to a margianalized group deserves to be called out for what it is. A rally to form a group around a work authored by a hateful person.
  
  Saying we can somehow separate the good the work has done for some people, from the harm the author has done to the specific minority of trans people, is naive at best, and turning a blind eye to bigotry at worst.
  
  Think abiut the community you’re trying to create. It is inherently anti-trans, by the very nature of it’s association with the author.
  
  But hey, if that’s the kind of company you’d like to keep, then at least we all know who you like to associate with.
  
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  - berg@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    It’s not inherently anti-trans. How can you say that, can’t you see what OP wrote? And then you’re trying to put a stample on me for not being a good enough supporter of the cause, so bring out the guillotines! Sometimes I feel like the trans communities greatest enemy is it’s strongest proponents.
    
    You can’t speak for every trans person, neither can I. But if you think no one trans likes HP, or think that if someone trans likes HP they aren’t really trans, then you can fuck right off. And if that’s not what you’re saying, then let it be?
    
    People are weird, let them. If they aren’t actively trashing other people they aren’t doing harm. Stop being upset about things no one’s yet to do to you. You just come of as an leftist incel.
    
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    Nima@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    in my friend groups, quite a few people are binging hogwarts legacy at the moment.
    
    most of them are trans. nobody is outraged. they just have jk blocked on twitter. they’re still potter fans.
    
    there’s an obsessive hate in a lot of trans communities that nobody talks about. the “you like this book series so you’re a terf!” type mentality is really tiresome.
    
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    z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Sorry, but no. You can sit by the sidelines and cause harm. It’s been done many times over throughout history, and sadly I’m sure we’ll see it again. I’m literally witnessing a bunh of people ignore the plight of a marginalized group right here, right now.
    
    I’m calling it out because it’s exactly that. It’s literally the least amount of effort I can put in while still doing what I think is right, not fucking nothing, and certainly not engaging in a community that is transphobe adjacent.
    
    Again, company you keep reflects on you, ignoring a problem can be just as harmful as actively causing harm under certain circumstances.
    
    Are these those specific circumstances? Maybe not. But I’ll be damned if I don’t call out indifference to suffering when I see it, which is exactly what this is.
    
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- Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  “choice to be trans”
  
  Well there you go, transphobia pretending to disguise itself. Go ahead and try to justify your wording, you’ve already lost plenty of people’s respect. Of course if that “doesn’t matter” to you, you probably shouldn’t have brought it up.
  
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stsquad@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
If you limit yourself to media created only by authors that past your particular purity test your going to have a very narrow view of the world. There is a reason the HP fandom is popular and I don’t think it’s because it’s because it’s made up of budding transphobes.

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- z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I’ve read Rowlings original HP books. They were decent. My current stance is as simple as no longer supporting her work nor supporting groups that continue to. I’m calling out you and anyone else that thinks they can some how support trans rights and still enjoy the HP universe. You’re trying to absolve yourself of somehow not being in the company of transphobic Harry Potter fans, when you clearly are. That doesn’t make you inherently transphobic, but it does indicate your love of HP more than your dislike of JK’s transphobic rhetoric. Sure you can verbally condemn JK’s transphobic rhetoric, but if you continue to engage with her content after having knowledge of her bigotry, it indicates you’re willing to turn a blind eye to hate speech in the interest of nostalgia. Probably also out of loneliness and a desperation for community.
  
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  - NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Where do the trans people that still like Harry Potter fit in in your world?
    
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- melmi@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I don’t think it’s particularly hard to find authors who aren’t actively spreading hate, actually. And I don’t think Rowling’s level of transphobia is a particularly specific purity test.
  
  Plus, Rowling takes an active role in promoting hate. She’s loud about it. She has a big platform because HP is so popular, and I think that makes her especially dangerous.
  
  She certainly seems to put her money where her mouth is too.
  
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ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Perfectly said

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- NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  So where’s do trans people that still like Harry Potter fit into your equation?
  
  Should we just ignore what they think?
  
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  - ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Trans people are allowed to make their own choices about how they deal with Rowlings transphobia.
    
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