Comment on I feel like Fediverse users are nicer to each other and more generous with upvotes than reddit.

dsemy@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

• Robaque@feddit.it ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  This is a very leftist online space. And proudly so. And it’s not like there’s a lack of disagreement among leftists. But any vagueries about having “controversial” opinions is gonna come across as fascist dogwhistling or at best liberal snobbery.

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  • dsemy@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    If you truly want a “leftist” online space lacking disagreement, you’re just asking to be put in an echo chamber. Differing opinions are important and should be encouraged - hell this is one of the core principals of democracy.

    The only opinions I don’t respect are those advocating violence or violating basic human rights.

    I hate fascism and I honestly don’t know what liberal means in this context since “leftists” seem to use it as a catchall term often.

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    • Robaque@feddit.it ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Lol the fact that you think leftism is small and unified enough to be at risk of becoming an “echo chamber” shows just how little you know about leftism.

      Put really succinctly, liberalism means capitalists who think that capitalism is a “free”, “democratic” and “equal” system. Some liberals think its flaws can be ironed out with regulation and reform.

      Leftists aren’t just socially progressive. They’re also anti-capitalist. And no amount of “debating” is gonna change that.

      Btw

      Differing opinions are important and should be encouraged - hell this is one of the core principals of democracy.

      You sound a lot like musk lol. But least you unambiguously stated you hate fascism, even though I’m not really sure what you would even define as ‘fascism’…

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      • dsemy@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Sorry I misread your comment, I thought you said leftists lack disagreement, while also claiming it’s a good thing. I don’t think leftism is small and unified (that’s why I put it in quotes in my comment, since I assumed you actually meant a small subsection of leftists).

        Also, while I honestly despise Musk, if he truly believes that (I doubt it), then I agree with him.

        I probably define fascism the same as you, no need to be passive aggressive.

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• NuPNuA@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  There are some, let’s say fringe, political beliefs on some of the instances. I’ve just learned to keep out of their spaces and the arguments are easy to avoid.

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  • dsemy@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    There are some IMO extreme political beliefs which seem to be considered valid on mainstream instances and communities.

    I’ve seen, multiple times, people openly supporting terrorism as a solution to oppression/occupation on Lemmy since I joined.

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  • dsemy@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    There are some IMO extreme political beliefs which seem to be considered valid on mainstream instances and communities.

    I’ve seen, multiple times, people openly supporting terrorism as a solution to oppression/occupation on Lemmy since I joined.

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  • dsemy@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    There are some IMO extreme political beliefs which seem to be considered valid on mainstream instances and communities.

    I’ve seen, multiple times, people openly supporting terrorism as a solution to oppression/occupation on Lemmy since I joined.

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  • dsemy@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    There are some IMO extreme political beliefs which seem to be considered valid on mainstream instances and communities.

    I’ve seen, multiple times, people openly supporting terrorism as a solution to oppression/occupation on Lemmy since I joined.

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    • NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I mean TBF when you look at history terrorism seems to work decently enough.

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      • dsemy@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I wanna see you say that to my face or to the face of anyone else who is or knows a victim of terror.

        Fucking wild take

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• evlogii@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  As someone who shares your desire for a better alternative, I find it disheartening to witness aggression. Although my experience with Lemmy was similar to Reddit (perhaps it’s just a matter of how I express myself or the communities I engage with), I genuinely hope you can also find comfort in Lemmy. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

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• Zeth0s@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  What kind of opinions?

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  • dsemy@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’m not sure how to answer that honestly

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    • BraBraBra@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      As in what opinions are causing arguments.

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      • NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Found the problem, folks.

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      • dsemy@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        This is exactly what I’m talking about - I’m not Christian, I think Christianity is extremely bad (hell, one of my only two posts is a song by Greek Black Metal band Rotting Christ).

        People just assume the worst if they don’t agree slightly with your opinion.

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      • dsemy@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I understood the question, but you can just look at my comment history of you’re curious.

        I’m not gonna list all my controversial opinions in a comment, and I also don’t necessarily know which ones are considered controversial on Lemmy before I share them.

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• Historical_General@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Well the basic rule of persuation is to state what you agree with already, I assume an arguement can be productive and civil if you follow a similar pattern. State your points of agreement, then the diagreement.

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  • dsemy@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I don’t try to argue though, usually.

    I just share my opinion and people start arguing with me.

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    • Historical_General@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Well, if you’re replying to somebody then they’re going to understandably assume it’s directed at their opinion, especially if you didn’t simply post a comment on a post and replied instead.

      Otherwise if your opinion is part of a current contentious political debate, then it will attract arguement and the best you can do is assume it’s in good faith and try to counter the fundamental point they’re making - if you’re inclined to.

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      • dsemy@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I agree with you, my point is that many other people don’t, and instead get very aggressive and resort to name calling or petty insults.

        And I won’t lie, I’m not perfect and this sometimes happens to me, but never when someone is actually arguing in good faith, only as a response to someone already doing that or if their opinion is extreme (for example if they advocate racist ideas).

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