Comment on Why is Google allowed to remove purchases from our Play Store accounts without telling us?

FrankTheHealer@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• woodgen@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Piracy is never stealing, since you are not removing anything from anyone. This does not include actual piracy, the one with ships and rum.

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• ripcord@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I don’t believe piracy is treated as stealing from a legal sense, already.

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  • starman2112@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    That’s true. If I steal 20 copies of some avengers movie from Walmart and give them away on the street, I’ll pay a couple thousand dollars in fines, tops. If I’m caught seeding an avengers movie to one person downloading from me in Serbia, I’ll be fined more money than most people make in their entire lives

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• Dkarma@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Ok but this isn’t purchasing outright it is basically leasing. It says so in the tos. The issue here is ppl don’t read tos or they don’t care and pay anyway. Ppl like that have zero right to complain.

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  • A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Amazing how you can talk so coherently with that corporate dick taking up so much space in your mouth.

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  • gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    How dare the average person not have the time or attention span to read a 28 page document in legalese that explains what exactly they’re doing

    It’s not like purposefully dense and overlong TOS is a known strategy to hide bullshit that later gets thrown out in court or anything

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    • Urist@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That person probably also think people who get shot are stupid for not moving out of the bullet’s path. “It is not so hard, it moves in a straight line you idiots”.

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      • starman2112@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        “Daniel Shaver should have just listened to philip brailsford’s commands”

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    • NotJustForMe@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      So you don’t have time for that? Spend two hours reading stipulations for a service that you might use for a decade or longer? That you might spend thousands of your currency on? What happened to the world. So fast. So furious.

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  • d3lta19@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The button to install a paid app literally says BUY. If that doesn’t mean purchase I don’t what else it could mean.

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    • Auli@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I can buy a vacation doesn’t mean I own the place I’m going.

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    • lemonnade@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It’s literally just a convention, a design choice. It doesn’t really mean anything.

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      • starman2112@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        buy (third-person singular simple present buys, present participle buying, simple past bought, past participle bought or (archaic, rare, dialectal) boughten)

        (transitive, ditransitive) To obtain (something) in exchange for money or goods.

        “I’m going to buy my father something nice for his birthday.”

        When I search the Play Store for Geometry Dash, and click the lil button that says “$1.99,” I get this page. It sure as shit looks like what I’m about to buy is Geometry Dash, the video game. When I click “Buy,” I’m not at all expecting to “buy” a temporary, permanently revokable license to play the game for now. I’m expecting to own the 1s and 0s that are downloaded to my device. Hiding legalese in the T&C that nobody clicks saying “actually buy means lease” is legal, and it should not be legal, because it’s misleading as hell. They should not be allowed to redefine words in T&C.

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  • experbia@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    OK but piracy isn’t stealing it is basically a harmless free copy. The issue here is corporations want to have their cake and eat it too, but to prohibit us all from either having or eating any cake ever. Corpos like that have zero right to my consideration or care.

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  • uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yeah, okay, except the iTunes and Facebook TOSes are longer than King Lear. Eventually a judge nullified a TOS on the basis that no-one ever reads those anyway.

    Thanks to odious TOSes, the average American commirs three felonies a day, violations of the CFAA for which some whistle-blowers and journalists are serving sentences similar to [assassin] Scott Roeder (for the murder of Dr. George Tiller). The rest of us are not serving such sentences but for one officer or official who wants us to disappear.

    In the meantime journalists continue to get charged with such violations, usually when their investigating something embarrassing to current administrations. The EFF has repeatedly raised a stink about this, but hasn’t yet been able to change the law.

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    • Dkarma@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You 👏 should ,👏 expect 👏 this 👏 it 👏isn’t👏the👏first👏time

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  • psud@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    TOS documents are designed not to be read.

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  • lolcatnip@reddthat.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I recall a while back someone did a study that there are not enough hours in the day for an average person to actually read all the TOS documents they’re expected to agree to. The idea that people can or should be responsible for knowing what’s in a TOS is a legal fiction.

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    • Auli@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Maybe we should get a GPT started to make short and understandable TOS.

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    • Dkarma@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I never said or implied what you assume I’m implying.

      Get some literacy.

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  • NotJustForMe@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Some people don’t get how you can separate understanding the logic of something and not supporting it at the same time.

    Don’t worry, that is normal. Im getting laughed at left and right for having my own root-server with all my services running on it, all FOSS.

    Most of them were born with google already existing, it is part of nature. They haven’t seen a giant go down yet.

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  • TwoGems@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Nice try, Google

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  • starman2112@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Hey look it’s the libertarian I was talking about in my other comment

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• cashews_best_nut@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  != is better

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  • dukk@programming.dev ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Outside of programming circles I’ve been surprised how little people now what != means.

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    • grayman@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Despite claims, math and logic are not important skills according to many.

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      • GiantRobotTRex@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Are you implying that my math professors do not think math and logic are important just because they used ≠ instead of !=?

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  • TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I paid for the whole Unicode, so I’m gonna use the whole ꙮ𐐘彁 Unicode

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• Ad4mWayn3@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Partially agree, because if purchasing == owning (which it should), then piracy is still != stealing

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