As per pre-911 we just may need to discourage hijackers from attacking planes through other vectors, not that the TSA is an actual deterrent. It’s difficult to believe our current measures take terrorism seriously.
In the case of an explosive decompression, you can’t have that wall trying to resist the pressure difference. It’ll blow in a horrible way and probably destroy a ton of circuitry / wiring.
It needs to fail open like this, that design makes sense. The pilots should have been informed though.
An attacker could probably leverage that though to get into the cockpit.
uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 months ago
solrize@lemmy.world 5 months ago
If that design is necessary it has presumably always been like that on every pressurized plane ever built. So it shouldn’t have been a surprise. But, some vents should be able to equalize the pressure without opening the door.
ISTR hearing that El Al planes had separate entrances for the cockpit and passenger compartment so there was no way to enter or leave the cockpit except on the ground. No door, just a reinforced wall. But maybe that was a post-911 urban legend.
flying_mechanic@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Aircraft maintenance has been doing the negative pressure unlock tests on cockpit doors for decades, its honestly surprising what isn’t common knowledge. Like others have said, rapid decompression of only a portion of the aircraft is very bad, and will result in massive structural failure as individual compartments aren’t pressure rated and will blow apart. The doors I’ve had experience with had large panels that would pop out when in a negative pressure event.
solrize@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Interesting. Now I’m wondering if the bathroom doors also blow out if there is decompression.
flying_mechanic@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Those don’t seal well, so probably not
ryannathans@aussie.zone 5 months ago
I think my ass would be having a blow out too if that happened
someguy3@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Cockpits would need their own bathroom, food, and maybe sleeping area if they had no door. Can’t see that happening.
BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 5 months ago
Your getting downvoted by people who’ve never flown on a 737, or even better, an MD80!
someguy3@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Yeah I don’t get it. Lemmy is an odd place at times.
NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 5 months ago
“some vents” are simply too small.
BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 5 months ago
Then make them larger.
It’s not even technically challenging. Just a couple tubes of appropriate diameter with a dog leg in them if they’re too large. Or multiple small tubes. It’s a few psi (IIRC planes are about 10psi at altitude, approx a 7psi differential from outside at 40k ft cruise altitude) albeit a large volume. But the cockpit volume is relatively small, so doesn’t take much time to equalize, and once it starts to equize, the force from pressure drops quickly, probably non-linearly.
Decompression in planes is awfully exaggerated in movies.
XeroxCool@lemmy.world 5 months ago
The pressure difference is a lot. 7psi is a lot, 3psi is a lot. The movie exaggeration is that decompression acts like a constant vacuum. There are 500mph winds at cruise, but it’s not a constant vacuum.
This door plug that fell out is what, 6ft tall and 3ft wide? That’s 18 square feet, or (18x12x12) 2,592 square inches. At a 7psi difference, it’s holding in a force of (7 pounds per square inch X 2,592 square inches) 18,144lbs. I’d say that’s a lot. Call the cockpit door half that surface area (and underestimating here) and it still has to resist a sudden force of 9,000lbs. That’s like holding back the deadweight of two American sedans with drivers. Surface area of a vent is absolutely critical because the force of 9,000lbs on the door is so sudden, gas flow doesn’t apply in human-tangible currents. You ever get hit by a calm wave? The water doesn’t just trickle around you, it knocks you down first and flows around later. It’s a gentler force, on the order of hundreds of pounds, and has a thicker fluid, but clearly doesn’t flown like trying to hold a handful of water. Making 1/3 of the door a pop vent still leaves nearly all of the remaining 2/3 of the door under the same 7psi. It’s still going to have to resist nearly 6,000lbs instantaneously. I mean, sport parachutes have holes in them and the pressure inside is still enough to comfortably hold up a human.
The other exaggeration is that you can keep fighting after decomp. No, you pass out in a matter of seconds. They are serious when they say put your mask on before helping others because if you try to mask your panicking kid first, after 30 seconds, you’ll both be passed out. You can’t just take puffs of that mask either, it’s only enough to keep you alive, not enough to support strenuous activity.
Plopp@lemmy.world 5 months ago
How about we just skip the door and put up a sign that says pilots and crew only?
Garbanzo@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Better put ‘gun free zone’ on that sign, just in case
brianorca@lemmy.world 5 months ago
There are surely some vents that could handle a slower decompression, but a sudden event that reduced the pressure by half in a single second would be too much. 6 tons of a lot of force for a door to take, especially when it is in the opposite direction of most threats the door is supposed to stop.
HaywardT@lemmy.sdf.org 5 months ago
Seems like a burst disk in the bulkheads would be a better solution than counting on a door to pop open.