I found this singular screenshot floating around elsewhere, but yes r/stablediffusion is for AI images.
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RainfallSonata@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I never understood how they were useful in the first place. But that’s kind of beside the point. I assume this is referencing AI, but due to the fact that you’ve only posted one photo out of apparently four, I don’t really have any idea what you’re posting about.
The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website 8 months ago
ysjet@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Pretty sure it started because nsfw subreddit mods realized they demand naked pictures of women that nobody else had access to and it made their little mod become a big mod.
chaogomu@kbin.social 8 months ago
Verification posts go back further than Reddit.
They were used extensively on 4chan, because they were the only way to prove that a person posting was in fact that person.and yes, it was mostly people posting nudes, but it was more that they wanted credit.
The reason it carried on to Reddit was because people were using the accounts to advertise patreon and onlyfans, and mods mostly wanted the people making money off the pictures to be the people who took those pictures.
Also it was useful for AMA posts and other such where a celebrity was involved.
ysjet@lemmy.world 8 months ago
4chan was a bit different in that it was anonymous to begin with- and more to the point, it was self-volunteered verification, not a mod-driven requirement.
As for reddit, mods were requiring private verification photos LONG before patreon and onlyfans even existed in the first place.
AMAs, agreed.
hansl@lemmy.world 8 months ago
“No no it’s not about consent it’s about someone being horny” is such a bad take… and bad taste.
ysjet@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I hate to break this to you, but there was in fact subreddits that publically required full-body full-face nudes in poses of the mod’s choice for verification.
That ain’t me being in bad taste, it’s just me doing basic observation. Some subreddits it was about verification, yes. Some it was about consent. Some of them it was about the mods being horny. And most of them, it was some combination of the three.
To pretend that it didn’t happen is… well, casual erasure of sexual misconduct of the mods, frankly.
EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
I had some trouble figuring out what exactly was going on as well, but the Stable Diffusion subreddit gave away that it was at least AI related, as that’s one of the popular AI programs. It wasn’t until I saw the tag though, that I really understood - Workflow Included. Meaning that the person included the steps they used to create the photo in question. Which means that the person in the photo was created using the AI program and is fake.
The implications of this sort of stuff are massive too. How long until people are using AI to generate incriminating evidence to get people arrested on false charges, or the opposite - creating false evidence to get away with murder.
doctorcrimson@lemmy.world 8 months ago
If you look close her freckles are smeared and her background furniture is abstract.
doctorcrimson@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Her freckles are smeared and her background furniture is abstract.
Hildegarde@lemmy.world 8 months ago
The point of verification photos is to ensure that nsfw subreddits are only posting with consent. Many posts were just random nudes someone found, in which the subject was not ok with having them posted.
The verification photos show an intention to upload to the sub. A former partner wanting to upload revenge porn would not have access to a verification photo. They often require the paper be crumpled to make it infeasible to photoshop.
If an AI can generate a photorealistic verification picture, it cannot be used to verify anything.
RainfallSonata@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I didn’t realize the originated with verifying nsfw content. I’d only ever seen them in otherwise text-based contexts. It seemed to me the person in the photo didn’t necessarily represent the account owner just because they were holding up a piece of paper showing the username. But if you’re matching the verification against other photos, that makes more sense.
RedditWanderer@lemmy.world 8 months ago
It’s been used way before the nsfw stuff and the advent of AI.
Back in the days if you were doing an AMA with a celeb, the picture proof is the celeb telling us this is the account they are using. Doesn’t need to be their account and was only useful for people with an identifiable face. If you were doing an AMA because you were some specialist or professional, giving your face and username doesn’t do anything, you need to provide paperwork to the mods.
This is a poor way to police fake nudes though, I wouldn’t have trusted it even before AI.
uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
It used to be tits or GTFO ON /b.
From now on I’ll have amazing tits.
oce@jlai.lu 8 months ago
Was it really that hard to Photoshop enough to bypass mods that are not experts at photo forensic?
can@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Probably not, but it would still reduce the amount considerably.
AnneBonny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
I think it takes a considerable amount of work to photoshop something written on a sheet of paper that has been crumpled up and flattened back out.
Sheeple@lemmy.world 8 months ago
If you have experience with the program it’s piss easy
However most people do not have experience.
psmgx@lemmy.world 8 months ago
It’s mostly about filtering the low-hanging fruit, aka the low effort trolls, repost bots, and random idiots posting revenge porn.
fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de 8 months ago
As in most things. I don’t have security cameras to capture video of someone breaking in. I have them so my neighbours house looks like an easier target.
xantoxis@lemmy.world 8 months ago
It would be easier to create verification photos with a particular expression this way. “Post a verification photo, frowning, with a blue pen in your teeth” for example, which might well be difficult to photoshop but no harder than anything else to aigen.
xor@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
there’s a lot of tools to verify if something was photoshopped or not… you don’t need to be an expert to use them
oce@jlai.lu 8 months ago
I tried some one day and I didn’t find any that is actually easy for a noob, you have to check resolution, contrast, spatial frequency disruption, and nothing looked easy to detect without proper training.
trolololol@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Can you share more? Never had to use one.
Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
On a side note, they are also used all the time for online selling and trading, as a means to verify that the seller is a real person who is in fact in possession of the object they wish to sell.
trolololol@lemmy.world 8 months ago
How does traditional - as in before AI - photo verification knows the image was not manipulated? In this post the paper is super flat, and I’ve seen many others.
Hildegarde@lemmy.world 8 months ago
From reading the verification rules from /r/gonewild they require the same paper card to be photographed from different angles while being bent slightly.
Photoshopping a card convincingly may be easy. Photoshopping a bent card held at different angles that reads as the same in every image is much more difficult.
stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
That last thing will still be difficult with AI. You can generate one image that looks convincing, but generating multiple images that are consistent? I doubt it.
KneeTitts@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Jut ask for multiple photos of the person in the same place, AI has a hard time with temporal coherence so in each picture the room items will change, the face will change a bit (maybe a lot), hair styles will change… etc