Comment on Fear Mongering About Range Anxiety Has To Stop — CT Governor Calls Out EV Opponents

• cryostars@lemmyf.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Because they are relatively new in the automotive world. I can take my '08 CRV to just about any auto parts store in America and get just about any part I need (or take it to about any third party repair shop with the same results). Good luck doing that with most EVs especially Teslas. Tesla is the most egregious example as they are anti right to repair and have seemed to take a page out of Apple’s book as far as locking down their supply chain for parts.

  Hopefully this will get better with time as third party shops catch up and EV-specific parts become more available. Though the latter I feel is highly dependent on manufacturers not trying to turn EVs into phones in terms of repairability/serviceability.

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  • spongebue@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    There really aren’t that many components to these things, and few of them are moving parts. There’s no water pump, alternator, starter, or A/C compressor on an accessory belt (there is an A/C compressor, of course, but it’s powered more like a home unit). No oil changes to worry about. No pollution/exhaust system. There is a coolant system for the battery, and a transmission, but neither of them have nearly as much wear as an internal combustion engine with its, well, internal combustion. The transmission is a bunch of fixed gears that don’t need to shift. Brake pads hardly get used since the car primarily uses regenerative braking.

    Yeah, Tesla kinda sucks when things do go wrong. I definitely avoided them. But if a car is less likely to break down, I’d be ok with a little trade-off in availability for what little would actually break.

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    • cryostars@lemmyf.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I think this argument is kind of a misconception. Just because an EV drivetrain has fewer moving parts than an ICE doesn’t necessarily mean it’s more reliable. There is a decent AP article from November 2023 that touches on this and suggests that EVs are actually far more unreliable than traditional ICEs. I would like it but I can’t figure out how to remove all the tracking junk from the URL.

      Regardless I really like the idea of one day owning an EV so I hope most of these issues will be worked out as the technology matures.

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      • hark@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I think the reliability numbers are skewed because there are a lot of corners being cut. For example, Tesla sells the most EVs, but they had played fast and loose with quality control to keep their numbers pumped up. Then there are cheaper auto manufacturers entering the market because the barrier to entry is lower with EVs and their quality control is all over the place. Given the same quality control as the larger automakers, EVs should be more reliable. Dealerships have fought against selling EVs because they miss out on lucrative service visits.

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      • spongebue@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Not necessarily, no. But when many of these moving parts turn at a couple thousand RPM under normal use and often get used a couple hours per day, that’s a lot of wear and room for error

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    • AA5B@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Looking at the tires on my Tesla, eventually replacing those looks scary

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  • helenslunch@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I can take my '08 CRV to just about any auto parts store in America and get just about any part I need

    Again, why would you think EVs are different?

    Hopefully this will get better with time as third party shops have time to acclimate themselves and their technicians to EV architecture

    Third party shops are not manufacturing parts.

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  • DreadPotato@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Aside from battery an the motor itself, mechanical parts are easy to come by from other sources than Tesla. Parts related to e.g. suspension, brakes and steering is easily bought without involving Tesla at all.

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• zeekaran@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Because third party repairs are often unavailable or void the warranty. Cars are becoming a subscription service to dealerships.

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  • helenslunch@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Because third party repairs are often unavailable or void the warranty

    1. No they don’t. Cars have long since had regulations allowing for third party repairs.

    2. Why would you take to a third party if you’re under warranty?

    Cars are becoming a subscription service to dealerships.

    1. What kind of subscription allows you to repair the car?

    2. This is not exclusive to EVs.

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• David_Eight@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I think the cost to replace the battery is an issue.

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  • Delascas@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    You replace the battery of an EV just about as often as you replace the engine block in an ICE car. Both do happen . . . but very, very infrequently.

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  • helenslunch@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    You don’t think the cost to replace an engine or transmission are an issue?

    Do you realize batteries are typically made up of several replaceable “cells”. Like by the time you need a new one there will be several affordable third party options that will also increase your range.

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    • David_Eight@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Last I checked an engine and transmission rebuild combined cost less than replacing just the batteries on an EV. An ICE might need a rebuild every 20+ years but, we don’t even have 20 years of EV data to look at to compare.

      No, I don’t follow EVs super close. What brands allow this? What third party batteries can I buy and how much do they cost and how do they compare to OEM batteries?

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      • helenslunch@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Last I checked an engine and transmission rebuild combined cost less than replacing just the batteries on an EV.

        Depends on which ones you buy and when.

        An ICE might need a rebuild every 20+ years but, we don’t even have 20 years of EV data to look at to compare.

        It’s very easy to look at 10+ year old batteries and extrapolate.

        What third party batteries can I buy and how much do they cost and how do they compare to OEM batteries?

        That’s what we call a “loaded question”. There’s all kinds of companies.

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    • Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It should be better but Tesla has been making it worse.

      The Model Y has a structural battery pack. That is the battery is integral to the car, and filled with an almost impossible to remove foam. It is unrepairable and un replaceable. Musk has said when the battery dies, you scrap the entire car and they recycle the lithium from the scrap.

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      • helenslunch@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        You’re conflating Tesla with “EVs”. Simply don’t buy a Tesla if that’s what you want.

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