Tell that to my 97 Astro
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silence7@slrpnk.net 8 months agoSure, but cars have a useful life of about 20 years. Using only old cars is not a long term solution
SlowLoudEasy@r.nf 8 months ago
afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I retired my 22 year old sentre when my wife became pregnant.
thisisawayoflife@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Much less than that now assuming you do average mileage, probably 5 years tops before major maintenance. Around 50k miles, most direct injected engines start to have problems due to significant carbon buildup on intake valves, because PCV and no fuel in the intake valves anymore. Just Google - it’s a huge issue that is affecting virtually every brand.
I’m the market for a slightly used car right now. Avoiding anything with over about 10-15k miles and I want something fairly luxurious for the size. It’s depressing knowing I’ll still be spending $30k and it will have a shorter life than either of my sports cars.
afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 8 months ago
They have a useful life like that because people are whiny bitches. Any car ever made can be kept going forever. Something doesn’t work right with us. We see a 3 grand repair estimate and a 30 grand new car with high insurance premiums and high interest rates and decide to make the wrong decision.
Buy a car used when you get your license. That is the last car you need for life.
Nindelofocho@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Its less about the cost of repair and more about its ability to safely get you where you’re going. Even well maintained vehicles break more the older they get. You dont want a vehicle to leave you stranded and a vehicle prone to issues will be much less trustworthy on longer trips. Sometimes youll also spend a couple grand on repairs and realize that the issue was misdiagnosed or caused another latent issue to show up and then your vehicle is in the shop for even longer. Its one thing to have to pay a couple grand in repairs but its a whole nightmare to be without transportation for potential weeks
afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 8 months ago
While true unless you are in a very rural area it would still be cheaper to use a rideshare service for that month. As for longer trips you can rent a car. I don’t mean to be rude but I got to ask if you used those calculators I mentioned. I think if you see the actual numbers we are talking about your views would change. A new car insurance can be hundreds a month, the first ride you lose 5k, 10% car payment rates are common.
As for misdiagnosing yes it happens but what I tend to see it happens more often with less common fancier cars vs your economy car the mechanic sees all the freaken time. I got a friend with a Buick Lacrosse and he has dealt with that quite a few times I have a Civic and never deal with it.
But hey do what you want. I am confident that my tax dollars are going to bailout the industry again. So maybe I am the dumb one being responsible.
Nindelofocho@lemmy.world 8 months ago
So my perspective may be a little skewed cause I used to do the song and dance with used cars until I just bought a new motorcycle and primarily use that for my transportation now but because ive gone that route my montly payment is really low and so is full coverage insurance even though my lender didnt require me to have full coverage insurance.
No rudeness assumed! I didnt see mention of a calculator was it in a different comment on this post?
As for the misdiagnosis stuff its purely anecdotal but it happened to me twice on an old F150 i had that blew the radiator, replace the radiator and then it had some wild overheating issue that was so sporadic i couldnt get it to happen in front of a mechanic, queue chasing parts down: tstat, temp sensors, etc it also proceeded to have a leaking heater core and then a blend door issue meaning the cracking dash had to come out or a hole had to be drilled into the air box to fix, until then no heat OR ac after all that it never quite worked right and then I started having issues with the brakes in which chasing parts ensued with that as well. Ive also had a 93 acura vigor with endless electrical issues and bad syncros, a 2011 Hyundai accent super base model with consistent upper end lubrication issues (that was actually common with that engine and they typically grenaded at 100k miles) It just becomes a huge headache and a lot of stress to deal with I even had an 04 Rav4 lose its transmission while I was trying to take my then gf out to a concert and that vehicle was meticulously maintained, I joke thats where my vehiclular trust issues started
Most of my family lives 1-6hrs away depending on who i was visiting so getting a new sport touring motorcycle that I knew was going to work and get me there with no issues whenever I wanted is just the better move. renting a car would be silly and add a lot of cost just to go see family or to go camping. The last time I did rent a vehicle while on a trip it cost as much as the fairly cheap hotel i was staying at and essentially doubled the price of the trip
Bye@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I was making the point that “your car is spying on you” probably isn’t true for a huge section of people, since there are lots of 10-15 year old cars on the road.
Also, older cars are much more repairable than people consider. We just have a huge economic infrastructure set up around having the “next best thing”.
silence7@slrpnk.net 8 months ago
Yes, they can be repaired but it stops being cost-effective eventually. So almost everybody eventually replaces them.
ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Yep. We got a new car since repairs were billed at the fucking value of our old piece of crap. Tired of paying that price every year lol
afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Not really. The insurance premiums on a new car will dwarf repair costs of an old car. That is if you buy it in cash which almost no one can do. Chances are you are going to take out a loan. Plus you are going to lose 5k the moment you take it out of the lot. Go ahead and prove me wrong, there are a whole mess of calculators online that will show you complete total cost of a vehicle.
Factories are infamous for having old equipment. They pretty much only throw stuff away a machine when they are totally out of room. When you are only concerned with money you repair, when you want to impress your “friends” you buy new.
limelight79@lemm.ee 8 months ago
Not arguing, but one thing I want to note: I’ve never had a new car cost more to insure than an old car (well maybe a few dollars, but not a significant change). Most of the time the premium is essentially the same, though one time it went down significantly because the safety features were better - that was going from a 2001 Saturn to a 2012 Honda. Going from a 2012 Honda to a 2020 Mazda did not significantly change our insurance premium.
Wish I still had that 2012 Honda. Alas, it was totaled in a crash. :(