How are they garbage? For instance BYD makes the safest batteries available.
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jaschen@lemmynsfw.com 6 months ago
I don’t wanna be that guy, but BYD are not only garbage tofu cars, they are also HEAVILY subsidized by the CCP in an effort to dump on the competition.
Buffalox@lemmy.world 6 months ago
jaschen@lemmynsfw.com 6 months ago
You are either not informed or TikTok has brain washed you. BYD leads the pack for most battery related fires than any other car manufacturer.
Buffalox@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I don’t use TikTok at all. I am informed through media that cover EV in particular, as well as general news media. So please stop your childish speculations.
In EU Tesla has a marketshare equivalent to the rest of EV top 10 combined, I’d guess Tesla also has the most fires of any manufacturer in EU.
evmarketsreports.com/byds-growing-market-share-in…
BYD has 7 of the top 10 most sold models, 2, 4, 5, 6, 7 and 9. Tesla only has 3rd and 8th. So obviously BYD sell way more cars in China than Tesla.
I’m not sure how the numbers shown 11 for Byd and 5 for Tesla, for 2020-2022 can in any way add up to 640 in first quarter of 2022??
The numbers of the article you linked simply don’t make any sense.jaschen@lemmynsfw.com 6 months ago
Good. Nobody should use TikTok.
Best selling doesn’t mean they are great cars. Teslas are garbage cars too. The best selling cars again, doesn’t mean they are superior cars.
All cars are prone to fire. But BYD have already had a recall for their batteries. reuters.com/…/fans-take-byd-task-recall-confusion…
…yahoo.com/…/byd-recall-more-tang-dm-095837668.ht…
BYD still uses the standard lithium ion batteries. Tesla now uses lithium iron phosphate batteries, if you didn’t know it is considered the safest battery.
I will agree that you and I are experts in this field, but you have to acknowledge that China is intentionally dumping these cars with the intent to kill off competition and gain market share.
LWD@lemm.ee 6 months ago
I see a chart where BYD is at the top for fires… but is that proportional to the prevalence of the brand? I can’t tell whether it’s disproportionately high, disproportionately low, or what.
The best hint is it’s got 11 fires to Tesla’s 5, which does seem disproportionately high…
occhionaut@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Got a chuckle out of me
lud@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Why are they the safest? Where did you hear that?
Buffalox@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Because it’s been tested to be way safer than other batteries.
evpowerhouse.com.au/blog/byd-blade-battery/One of the primary concerns with EVs is battery safety, especially during accidents. Traditional lithium-ion batteries have been prone to overheating and combustion. However, the Blade Battery boasts several safety features, starting with its use of lithium iron phosphate (LFP) for the cathode material. LFP chemistry offers superior stability, even at temperatures as high as 930 °F (500 °C), making it significantly safer than conventional lithium-ion batteries.
That means it’s generally safer in theory because it more chemically stable.
The Blade Battery has also passed industry-standard tests, including the “Everest” test, where a nail puncture is used to check the battery’s resistance to ignition during an internal short circuit. Unlike other batteries that charred or exploded during this test, the BYD Blade Battery remained cool at 30-60 °C (85-140 °F), demonstrating its exceptional heat management.
Practical test results confirm this, and damage that will make other batteries burn explosively, merely makes this battery warm.
But it’s not 100% safe, there have been accidents that shouldn’t have happened, but did anyway. This is being investigated, and it is still considered significantly safer than competing batteries.lud@lemm.ee 5 months ago
Is true, that’s cool.
Probably not the type of car I would ever buy. I heard the patent is about to expire so that’s great. Not that I understand why the western world would care about Chinese parents. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
BetaBlake@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Of course they’re garbage, they’re Chinese
jaschen@lemmynsfw.com 6 months ago
I wouldn’t go all out saying all Chinese made things are garbage. The majority of cellphones are produced there and many of them are not garbage.
lud@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Agreed, China can produce garbage and it can produce amazing things.
The thing is that companies that outsource to China often want much cheaper manufacturing, which obviously results in lower quality.
They can produce stuff at the same quality and probably at a higher quantity as anyone else (except maybe for extremely specialised stuff which only 1 company in the world can do)
hexabs@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Are… Are you using your porn alt on this thread perchance?
jaschen@lemmynsfw.com 6 months ago
No, after porn instances got defederated from other instances, I just picked the instance that hasn’t defederated any instances which happens to be the porn instances. I figured it’s the least censored. If I wanted to be censored, I would just go back to reddit.
AmberPrince@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I wish I had that man’s confidence.
GiddyGap@lemm.ee 6 months ago
How is that different from Tesla?
jaschen@lemmynsfw.com 5 months ago
How? Teslas that are sold in China are made in China. BYD sold in the UK are made in China.
LWD@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Because Tesla’s subsidies are good old fashioned American subsidies. Rock, flag, and eagle, right?
IHadTwoCows@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Lol he thinks Teslas arent subsidized
pastermil@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
You can be that guy all you want, those garbage tofu cars are still dominating the market.
jaschen@lemmynsfw.com 6 months ago
I know they are dominating the market. But I’m explaining why they are. It’s NOT because they make superior cars Each car is sold at a loss with the funding/backing of the China government with the sole purpose to dump(kill domestic competition).
Amazon prime sorta did this on a micro scale. Dump their pricing to kill Barnes and Noble and after they go out of business, they open and replace them with their own stores. But instead of Amazon funding the dump, it’s the god damn CCP and our entire auto industry.
ShepherdPie@midwest.social 6 months ago
Dominating which market though? China is heavily subsidizing these cars like they do with a lot of new tech when they want to undercut non-Chinese companies. I guarantee if any other manufacturer had similar subsidies, the situation would be different.