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afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• cowfodder@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  One of the first unions that really stuck in the US was the International Ladies’ Garments Workers Union, which started in response to the Triangle Shirtwaist fire.

  Yes, some traditionally male lead industries were shitty towards women, but your sweeping generalization is wrong.

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  • afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    UAW striked over woman working there yes or no?

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    • Tinidril@midwest.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      This is the claim.

      Unions have always had issues with women.

      One strike from one union 80 years ago when cultural attitudes were entirely different has no bearing on that claim.

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      • afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I listed an example not all examples.

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• rockSlayer@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Unions have been gaining class consciousness since their inception. It took a general strike of only white people in New Orleans for unions to realize that they will never succeed unless they accept and fight for black people too. The Wilmar 8 strike was a turning point for unions accepting women. Not to mention that this probably from the IWW, which has always accepted women.

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  • afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Are you saying what I said did not happen or are you downplaying it?

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    • YarHarSuperstar@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You gave one item of evidence, I would assume they’re saying it’s not enough to be able to say that about unions (that they have always had issues with women). They addressed what you said and added to it, so neither?

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      • afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Are you saying what I said did not happen or are you downplaying it?

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    • rockSlayer@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Neither. I’m saying that worker-led organizations are prone to the biases of the workers that make up the organization, but their reliance on class consciousness means that unions never keep their status quo bias for long. The president of the UAW today is a feminist and socialist. The CWA organizers I work with are anti racist and socialists.

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      • afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        And the teamsters I have dealt with the pass few years are maga types.

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• endhits@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Just so everyone knows, this person is either paid or has interest in tearing down unions. Identity politics is used often to stop worker’s action.

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  • afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Liar.

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    • Waluigis_Talking_Buttplug@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Considering how many comments you’ve copy pasted in this thread alone, it feels like you’re a corporate shill.

      I’d hope you’d he getting paid for it, otherwise that’s just ew

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      • afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Show me one.

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• Bael422@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  That’s kinda fair, but only if not looking at context. Unions represent the will/votes of the workers, and in the past women’s rights were culturally looked down on. In the present day equality is a more widespread cultural view so unions now would reflect that, at least in areas that do. So essentially unions are only as good as the current majority ethics of the workers within them.

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• gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  But they’re a hell of a lot better about that sort of thing nowadays

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  • afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    And? The Internet has taught me that forgiveness isn’t a thing.

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    • gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You’re trying to go on an anti-union screed. I’m not letting you.

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      • afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Don’t need your permission and I have not.

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    • SaintWacko@midwest.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Forgiveness is only possible once the offending behaviour is stopped. I suspect the Internet has never offered you forgiveness because you’ve never stopped your offending behaviour.

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      • Syrc@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Well, they’re right in the sense that Internet is very unforgiving about anything that anyone ever did, no matter if they stopped or not.

        Doesn’t mean it’s a good practice and they should be justified in doing it as well, though.

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      • afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Noted. The very next time I see someone bring up something that happened decades ago I will be sure to see you comment on that.

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• FlyingSquid@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  What is your alternative to unions?

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