As a Level 3 system, the driver is permitted to take their hands off the wheel, their feet off the pedals, and divert their attention away from the road. […]
The turquoise markers will alert other drivers to the fact that your vehicle is driving itself, so hopefully they won’t be alarmed if they see you doing other things while behind the wheel.
RoyaltyInTraining@lemmy.world 11 months ago
If we need warning lights for self driving cars, the technology is not ready.
barsoap@lemm.ee 11 months ago
RoyaltyInTraining@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Okay that is the first argument for it I’ve read that actually makes sense
Postcard64@lemmy.world 11 months ago
To play the devil’s advocate: early cars needed a guy with a flag im front of them because people were used to horses and carriages and not automobiles. After a while that stopped being a thing.
But yeah, self driving cars are not really ready.
Junkers_Klunker@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Id argue that motorized carriages back then werent ready for the public.
LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I havent seen a lvl 3 yet, have you? Id like to know your actual thoughts on driving one. I only see Teslas and such, and they don’t have them yet.
Kbobabob@lemmy.world 11 months ago
warning lights
Lol, this is like calling the turn signals warning lights. Letting others know something about your driving isn’t a warning, it’s just an indicator.
Kage520@lemmy.world 11 months ago
If we need signs saying student driver, the driver is not ready
otp@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
If we need signs saying “Baby on Board”, the driver isn’t ready
tslnox@reddthat.com 11 months ago
*The baby isn’t ready. :-D
kuneho@lemmy.world 11 months ago
if we need warning lights for ANYTHING, the humanity is just not ready.
akafester@lemmy.world 11 months ago
One could argue that brake lights are a warning light 🤔.
illi@lemm.ee 11 months ago
No, they literally are warning lights, warning you the car is slowing down.
sugartits@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Best keep away from rail crossings then.
helenslunch@feddit.nl 11 months ago
coffeebiscuit@lemmy.world 11 months ago
So we aren’t ready for anything. Got it. 🚨🚦🚒🚑🚓🚧
tslnox@reddthat.com 11 months ago
YOU ARE NOT PREPARED!
bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Same purpose as warning labels: to keep ding dongs alive so they can spend more money
lolcatnip@reddthat.com 11 months ago
Jesus Christ that’s the most pointlessly cynical thing I’ve read in a long time.
helenslunch@feddit.nl 11 months ago
The technology will never be ready if you don’t test it.
And I would argue we DON’T need warning lights since, while imperfect, most self-driving tech is already vastly better than your average driver. We should have warning lights for cars that DON’T have self-driving.
This is ultimately why we will NEVER have self-driving cars en masse, because society isn’t willing to take the necessary risks to improve the safety of everyone on the road.
firadin@lemmy.world 11 months ago
How about we:
- Don’t let random customers test it and instead use heavily trained, specialized test drivers
- Require permitting and, e.g., an obstacle course before letting a company’s software be randomly updated and thrown on the road?
Why is there this constant false dichotomy implying that the only way to test self driving cars is a wild west of no regulation?
And also who said that self driving cars are safer than humans? Tesla’s numbers are all statistical lies (in fact Teslas were recently shown to have the most accidents), Cruise just shutdown in SF because they were a liability, and Waymo is heavily limited in its time/weather/areas for driving.
helenslunch@feddit.nl 11 months ago
Don’t let random customers test it and instead use heavily trained, specialized test drivers
At some point you need to test it on a large scale. Cruise was even running small-scale and was shut down in short order.
Require permitting and, e.g., an obstacle course before letting a company’s software be randomly updated and thrown on the road?
We do.
Why is there this constant false dichotomy implying that the only way to test self driving cars is a wild west of no regulation?
There isn’t.
And also who said that self driving cars are safer than humans?
Everyone?
Tesla’s numbers are all statistical lies (in fact Teslas were recently shown to have the most accidents)
[Citation needed]
Cruise just shutdown in SF because they were a liability
This is actually a great example of exactly what I’m talking about: GM will shut down Cruise permanently because they’ve discovered what I just said: society has zero tolerance for literally anyone getting hurt by autonomous vehicles, whereas the tens of thousands of people who are killed on our roads every year by individuals is considered acceptable.
FierySpectre@lemmy.world 11 months ago
The teslas having the most crashes I did see pass by on my news feed too. It doesn’t mean that because teslas have self driving and teslas crash the most that this means the self driving tech is the reason for it. Correlation does not imply causation.
Maggoty@lemmy.world 11 months ago
You literally just presented that false dichotomy in a previous comment. Don’t try to gaslight us.
Maggoty@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Sure. But we’re jumping into the deep end by legally allowing the driver to be exempt from distracted driving laws. There’s a big difference between testing the technology and relying on the technology.
helenslunch@feddit.nl 11 months ago
legally allowing the driver to be exempt from distracted driving laws.
Can you cite the legislation that exempts drivers using driver assistance systems from paying attention while driving?
There’s a big difference between testing the technology and relying on the technology.
No one should be relying on the technology.
Maggoty@lemmy.world 11 months ago
California, Nevada, and Germany all have laws for it. The article this comment section is based on specifically mentions California and Nevada.
rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 11 months ago
There are warning signs to indicate people learning to drive in ex-Soviet countries (such yellow triangles to put behind the glass), even though they are driving with an instructor.
Now when I think about it, it’s been some time since I’ve seen that sign.
barsoap@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Somewhat similarly in the Netherlands, in case you fail your practical driving exam three times you still get a license but you can only drive cars marked with special yellow number plates.
lolcatnip@reddthat.com 11 months ago
They’re pretty common in the US as well, but it’s just a sign that says “student driver”.
I’ve also seen orange triangles used in vehicles like horse-drawn carriages that can’t go as fast as regular traffic, mostly in connection to Amish people.
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Well, theirs probably isn’t.
otter@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Eh, it’s probably good to have regardless?
It’s less about being careful around the car and more about how you might interact with it.
We could use some new standards with how many things have changed in recent years brake lights on electric vehicles being another thing to consider
toofpic@lemmy.world 11 months ago
“Gentle horn” sounds like a 80s romantic pop song.
otter@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Here you go
Gentle Horn
LegionEris@feddit.nl 11 months ago
A markedly less successful ripoff of Tubular Bells
Synthead@lemmy.world 11 months ago
You’re still the driver in the self-driving car. If someone honks, you have pedals and a wheel in front of you. It always comes down to driver neglect. It’s like blaming the cruise control for speeding, but giving cruise control more responsibilities.
otter@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
The standard should endure past this stage. It’s not necessary now, but it would be good to start getting used to some kind of a symbol now
Eventually when cars move past this stage, then we’ll need it
Steve@communick.news 11 months ago
Today, sure.
But in 20-50 years, switching to manual driving may be a whole process. It may even be illegal in a full self driving car. In an environment of of mixed automated and manual driving, having indicator lights for the autos makes a lot of sense.