When this was posted yesterday, I brought up issues with the sample selection (not random) and universe the “study” looked at (people using one of those sites to shop for insurance), and while I think most understood my point, some people got upset at me “defending Tesla drivers”…
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set_secret@lemmy.world 10 months ago
i know many of you all just LOVE to hate on Tesla, it’s like the shit flavor of he year for hating and no doubt Elon’s shit fuckery is partially driving it, but honestly this is an absolutely classic Forbes piece of garbage. Firstly, it’s a masterclass in selective bias - focusing solely on Tesla while barely whispering about Ram’s near-similar accident rates. Classic move to sensationalize one brand over another. Then there’s the U.S. only scope, which conveniently ignores the global context which could paint a vastly different picture. The article kicks off with a ‘non-causal’ disclaimer but then spends the rest of the time subtly linking Tesla’s Autopilot to the high accident rate, without concrete evidence. It’s a bit like saying ‘no offense’ before offending someone.
The Tesla recall is mentioned, sneakily implying a connection to the accident rate, despite the lack of direct correlation. The article is less about informing and more about crafting a narrative that fits a preconceived notion, all while skating on thin ice made of half-truths and strategic omissions.
limelight79@lemm.ee 10 months ago
Lev_Astov@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Last time a garbage hit-piece like this pissed me off, I looked into the crash statistics myself and found Tesla vehicles were around 1/80th the average crash ratio per capita.
I’m sure this is somewhat skewed by the kinds of people driving them versus the average work vehicles and clunkers out there, but still, it just feels absurdly false to claim Teslas even approach the highest crash rate.
And even the sketchy “study” not even endorsed by the site it’s posted to, then linked by Forbes, then says Ram vehicles as the highest crash rate (lol), so it’s wild that Forbes goes on to say it’s Tesla at the top spot.
Llamadramas@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Per capita means nothing in this situation.
argarath@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Comparing with the per capita means nothing here, you need to compare with other car companies, as comparing to the per capita is like comparing the number of lung cancer deaths to the number of all deaths, of course it’s going to be a very small number, but when you compare with other cancers then you can see that lung cancer is one of biggest killers amongst cancers
chitak166@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Forbes is shit and I wish people would stop taking them seriously.
Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 10 months ago
To be fair, Tesla / Musk spend a LOT of time talking about how they’re autonomous driving product are critical for reducing accidents and saving lives. Also, there isn’t a lot of public quantitative data around this major recall. That’s why they’re getting the headline.
Maybe autopilot is great, and it’s the non-autopilot drivers that are terrible, but right now, the brand has net accident rate that rivals a company that sells massive rolling blind spots to people who love Calvin pissing stickers.
Spaceballstheusername@lemmy.world 10 months ago
How exactly could this study give a concrete reason for the higher than average crash rates?
Landmammals@lemmynsfw.com 10 months ago
They also don’t make any adjustment for fault. Tailgating a Tesla is just a bad idea, they brake insanely fast.
asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Tailgating anyone is a bad idea.
Landmammals@lemmynsfw.com 10 months ago
Yeah, but tailgating a Tesla just hits different
NZV65572@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Thank you. This is exactly right, it’s a hit piece designed to get people who already don’t like Tesla all worked up… and it worked remarkably well.
madcaesar@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Two things are true. The article is garbage, but so are Teslas.
dpkonofa@lemmy.world 10 months ago
They’re not, though. Elon can suck it but my Tesla is the best vehicle I’ve ever owned and it’s not even close.
bizzle@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I heard that you don’t even have to open the door, you just slide in through a panel gap
Death@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Are you comparing with other cars at the same price range or cheaper cars? I don’t know but based from my experience, compared to some other brands although Tesla are better than some cheaper models of other brands, some are better than Tesla if you compared to the models with the same price range Yes, some brands might be worse, but Tesla is far from being the best
dpkonofa@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Some cheaper, some the same price range.
What’s your experience based on? Do you own one? Or is this just third-hand?
I don’t care what it’s considered. It’s the best car I’ve ever owned and I’ve owned Fords, Dodges, VWs, Toyotas, and BMWs.
whoisearth@lemmy.ca 10 months ago
Ah yes a personal anecdote is 100% more valid.
That said, from what I’ve heard the big problem is the disparity of build quality. Some Tesla’s (like possibly yours) are built amazing. Some others are put together like shit.
dpkonofa@lemmy.world 10 months ago
At least I provided some kind of evidence, even if it’s an anecdote. You made a generalization with absolutely no evidence.
That’s fine if there’s a disparity but it’s not as common as your statement makes it seem.
gian@lemmy.grys.it 10 months ago
Which is basically true for every brand, not only Tesla.
limelight79@lemm.ee 10 months ago
I love that you were downvoted, for all we know your previous vehicle was a Daewoo or something. A Tesla is likely a better quality vehicle than a Daewoo.
dpkonofa@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Lemmy is pretty toxic. There are 5 opinions allowed on here and your personal experience is irrelevant.
Jarix@lemmy.world 10 months ago
You sound like a forbes article
linearchaos@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Sadly, you’ll never be able to say anything nice about any Musk properties here without massive downvotes by people who wouldn’t purchase anything from Musk.
The hardware (occasional bad quality control aside) is pretty awesome. My neighbor has one, His holiday update was an absolute hoot. They’re fast, clean, comfortable and are generally long lasting, low maintenance cars.
When you factor in EV and Price, there’s nothing that stands out as nicer from a pure hardware standpoint.
They could use a few more buttons inside. When they become disabled on the road, their requirement for you to have them do the towing and taking hours to do so sucks. Suing people over selling their vehicles second hand is pretty bad. No second party repairs allowed is a problem.
The real 800 lb gorilla in the room is the autopilot. The only redeemable thing about the auto pilot is that it mostly works and it’s pushing the tech forward. They have enough money to lobby congress to make it legal, all those 730+ wrecks and 17+ deaths as horrible as they are, will lead us to the feature being viable eventually.
dpkonofa@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I bought mine way before Musk became a right-wing nutjob asshole and wouldn’t buy another of his cars now unless something changed with their leadership structure.
That doesn’t mean that I can retroactively say the car sucks now. It is a fantastic vehicle. I don’t use Autopilot so that part doesn’t apply (tried it during a trial and wasn’t impressed) but, as a car, I have no qualms.