Comment on Why would someone openly say that they oppose human rights?

• bluGill@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I don't know what most people believe - and I doubt you have data to verify your statement. However I do know that at minimum it is a very significant minority that disagrees with that fetus statement.

  I'm trying to elevate the discussion to a different level. Instead of trying to defend your position can you instead step back and start understanding why some people think it is absurd? The world would be much better if people could do that more often.

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  • ReCursing@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    In this case no, the other side is absurd. Not everything is actually a multi-faceted problem - some people think the Earth is flat and we can point and laugh at them

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    • amio@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Although if you do, human psychology is likely to make them believe in Even-Flatter-Earth or whatever.

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  • Shalakushka@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Some people see blood transfusions as unholy, it doesn't mean they get to decide the conduct of everyone else.

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  • sneezycat@sopuli.xyz ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Turns out those same people don’t think the fetus counts as a person when it’s not in their interest

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  • Neato@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I understand. Some people think fetuses are babies, people, at that point. And they see abortion as murder. And if you think a fetus is a person, then it IS murder. It's a completely valid position. Not one I think is correct, but it's easy to see how they get there.

    Unfortunately for them, most of those people have so little regard for actual babies and do so little to protect them that their stance rings hollow. And they also aren't willing to extend legal benefits as if they were babies. So their actions contradict their stated values and they aren't taken seriously.

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    • jasory@programming.dev ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      “there is no other precedent for supporting the life of another that can’t be transferred to another”

      Yes, there is. Even a legal precedent, it’s called abandonment, you cannot legally abandon a dependent (especially if it leads to imminent death) without transferring actual custody to another responsible party (e.g not a murderer).

      If you are in a circumstance where you cannot transfer the custody to another party, you cannot leave the dependent to die.

      The rest of your statement is irrelevant garbage, but I think it’s important to refute that point.

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  • BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    That you're being strongly downvoted for properly analyzing an unpopular perspective is disappointing but not remotely surprising here.

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    • vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It’s not an analysis in any sense of the word. It’s a restating at best. And believe it or not, we’ve heard the arguments against abortion before.

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