Comment on Apple says it will remove services such as FaceTime and iMessage from the UK rather than weaken security if new proposals are made law and acted upon.

JoeKrogan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

• hardypart@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I’m not even an Apple user but somehow I still feel like Apple are one of the very last companies where privacy and the security of your data is more worth than a dime.

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  • DragonAce@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Any company that obfuscates all their security practices, refuses to give statistics on security risks and counter measures, and boils their product security down to “Trust us, bro.”, doesn’t actually give a fuck about your security. They’re just the last company who keeps everything secret so they can make shit up as they go along. Apple’s security is a joke and they’re just as bad as any other manufacturer on the market, the only difference is they have successfully kept their shit secret for all these years.

    I still remember a few years ago having a conversation with a coworker about her iphone and she bragged about Apple never being hacked, on the same day I had just got done reading an article about a large scale hack. Apple never said a damned thing about it. Did you know that most celebrity phone hacks are thru apple accounts?

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    • kautau@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      obfuscates all their security practices

      help.apple.com/…/apple-platform-security-guide.pd…

      support.apple.com/guide/security/…/web

      developer.apple.com/…/encrypting_user_data

      I had just got done reading an article about a large scale hack on their network

      Source? Or should I just “trust you bro”

      Did you know that most celebrity phone hacks are thru apple accounts?

      Did you know that most celebrities own iPhones by a far margin? These aren’t the encryption was broken hacks when someone is getting into an iCloud account, these are social engineering hacks. That’s what happens when your publicist, your agent, and others have access to your digital accounts so they can get you a new phone quick while you are on the road, grab the photos you took on your phone from your iCloud account to share, etc. More holes in security.

      about $300 at best(their hardware is on average 1-2 generations behind other devices on the market)

      Flagship android phones, barring a few exceptions, are not sold without pre-installed apps that subsidize the cost of the phone.

      Do you have an example of a device priced at $300 with competitive hardware to the base iPhone 14, without bloatware subsidizing the cost of the device? I’d accept that generally iPhones are ~$100-200 above the price of devices with competitive hardware, but a current gen iPhone having $300 hardware? The specs are very similar to other devices in similar price ranges

      I’ve owned both Pixels and iPhones before. While each has its pros and cons, I’ve found that the app sandboxing, default settings, and ability to opt out of telemetry was always better on iPhone. And until google has free, easy-to-use E2E encryption for Android devices and the related cloud services, customer data on Google’s servers is more at risk to be stolen/sold for profit/used without explicit user consent.

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      • Whirlybird@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Do you have an example of a device priced at $300 with competitive hardware to the base iPhone 14, without bloatware subsidizing the cost of the device? I’d accept that generally iPhones are ~$100-200 above the price of devices with competitive hardware, but a current gen iPhone having $300 hardware? The specs are very similar to other devices in similar price ranges

        Not to mention that iPhones are literally best in the world in terms of the SOC. No other phone in the world matches them. Saying “their hardware is on average 1-2 generations behind other devices on the market” shows how wrong that person is.

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      • reddithalation@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I’m sure stock pixel is bad, but grapheneos (if configured correctly) beats everything.

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      • gian@lemmy.grys.it ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Do you have an example of a device priced at $300 with competitive hardware to the base iPhone 14, without bloatware subsidizing the cost of the device?

        Ulefone Armor 21 😉

        Perhaps is even better.

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    • SmashingSquid@notyour.rodeo ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Apple processors outperform flagship android phones on benchmarks every generation. Where are you getting your information?

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      • kautau@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Sadly it’s tribalism. It’s “apple = bad” so anything mentioned about apple isn’t looked at logically but rather with an “us vs them” mentality. It’s common across the spectrum of thinking critically nowadays, but I felt I had to refute all points because it’s dumb and doesn’t help anyone.

        More security is good. Hating on apple because they are convinced that it’s an overpriced conspiracy is stupid. Every tech company deserves some hate, Apple included, but making that your identity instead of thinking critical does nothing to advance the work being done.

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  • saltesc@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    They’re just jumping on theme. It’s what they do. Appeal to trend.

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• MxM111@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I think this is correct response not just in case of morality, but in case of technology. How can you guaranty privacy of a call if the recipient is from UK?

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• EighthLayer@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  iMessage isn’t a big loss in the UK. FaceTime would be.

  WhatsApp pulling out of the UK would have the biggest impact. Almost everyone uses it here.

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  • iMike@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Can confirm, it had swipe to reply for a while now, it’s coming to iMessage in next iOS… The only thing that annoys me about WhatsApp is the high picture compression resulting in low quality images.

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  • EliasChao@lemmy.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    WhatsApp also uses E2EE, wouldn’t also be targeted under this same legislation?

    Meta pulling WhatsApp out of the UK would affect way more people.

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    • EighthLayer@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yes that’s what I was suggesting.

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