Yeah, it seems Google is way more open to side loading and fdroid existing. Not sure how Apple got away with it.
Comment on Epic win: Jury decides Google has illegal monopoly in app store fight
sirdorius@programming.dev 11 months ago
Didn’t Epic lose the fight against Apple? How is Google more of a monopoly than Apple? It is incredibly easy to sideload apps on Android compared to iPhones, and there are even dedicated unofficial stores. These verdicts are not coherent at all between them.
stewsters@lemmy.world 11 months ago
SCB@lemmy.world 11 months ago
But Epic v. Google turned out to be a very different case. It hinged on secret revenue sharing deals between Google, smartphone makers, and big game developers, ones that Google execs internally believed were designed to keep rival app stores down. It showed that Google was running scared of Epic specifically. And it was all decided by a jury, unlike the Apple ruling.
From the article. It appears they had receipts that Epic was specifically and intentionally harmed here
poopkins@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Apple has such deals. The difference is that they weren’t caught.
Socsa@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
The difference is that Apple is so vertically integrated, they can say that the existence of Android as an option negates any monopoly they might have on apps. Yes it’s stupid.
GiddyGap@lemm.ee 11 months ago
the law should be the same for all, not at the interpretation of whichever judge you get.
Welcome to the US of A. Happens literally all the time. Hence the big fight over control of the Supreme Court.
shirro@aussie.zone 11 months ago
Probably comes down to the unwillingness of US legislators to create clear laws. Too many compromises to satisfy lobbyists and avoid any negative campaign they might sponsor. Judges likely do the best they can trying to interpret the mess of case law they depend on in the absence of modern legislation. I have no idea why the US supreme court gets to decide on matters like abortion based on hand wavy interpretations of historical documents when in any normal democracy the politicians do the will of the people and enact legislation that reflects modern society.
joel_feila@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Key difference, this one had a jury make the final call
andthenthreemore@startrek.website 11 months ago
I understand they are two separate judges, but the law should be the same for all, not at the interpretation of whichever judge you get.
That’s literally a big chunk of law. So there must be something other than it just being the judge’s interpretation.
Rose@lemmy.world 11 months ago
This was a jury trial.
bleuthoot@lemmy.world 11 months ago
From some other comment I read, it apparently was due to google paying companies to set Google’a stuff as their default. Something Apple does not (have to) do.
Aasikki@sopuli.xyz 11 months ago
I guess it makes sense that google lost here, but what doesn’t seem to make sense at all, at least for me, is how on earth apple won when on their platform you literally have no other option than to use apples stuff.
abraxas@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
If I had to guess, probably for the same reason you can’t sue for not being able to pick what apps you install on your toaster.
Google probably opened themselves up to this monopoly shit by trying not to be as much of a monopoly as Apple is trying to be.
I’ve heard a lot of lawyers say that the law punishes virtually every good behavior because that behavior can be construed in a way that you can be sued for, and that it favors being a dick more than anything. In this case, that might be what happened?
I mean, not that Google is a saint at all.
Tertle950@lemmy.basedcount.com 11 months ago
That is seventeen flavors of idiotic in one sickly smartphone sundae
Law is hell on earth, and lawyers are devils.
inverted_deflector@startrek.website 11 months ago
Yeah it still doesnt feel consistent to me. Apple is a large enough marketshare holder for a handheld computer and doesnt even give you an option to sideload another market place. The explanation doesnt make any more sense because google is more open.
CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Someone else commented that the Google trial was jury decided, where the Apple trial was (assumingly) not.
Crashumbc@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Exactly
Phrodo_00@lemmy.world 11 months ago
True, but that’s more about the relationship between Google and phone manufacturers and and carriers. As far as a party like Epic is concerned, it shouldn’t have any relation. As far as epic goes, they’re only affected by the opt in process to install apks, and apps not being allowed to install apps (which I hope has a way more complicated opt in process or malware will be rampant among casual users)