Comment on Politically-engaged Redditors tend to be more toxic -- even in non-political subreddits

• Kichae@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Leaving harmful public opinions unchallenged presents the illusion of widespread agreement.

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  • DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You’re also arguing for the audience, not necessarily the person you’re arguing with.

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  • Alpha71@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    How?

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• RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Maybe you don’t change them, but they shouldn’t get a free pass and be the only voice present.

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• webadict@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Because people other than the two arguing read that and learn things. If someone states factually wrong or hurtful information about, say, trans people, I would rather they be corrected than someone think that trans people are anything other than human beings being human beings from that prior comment.

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  • Alpha71@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    OK this to me is the perfect example. You say trans people are human. (a sentiment which i agree with BTW). How has you arguing with someone online changed ANY off the current anti trans bills out there?

    Instead of arguing online and accomplishing nothing maybe instead you should be doing real work in the real work to stop that from happening.

    But no, people will bitch and complain online, and then throw there hands up in the air and say “well at least I tried.” when nothing changes.

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    • webadict@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      So, are you suggesting that people aren’t allowed to complain about things, are you suggesting that complaining about things cannot be done in tandom with works that better the lives of trans, or are you suggesting that people that actually want trans people to have better lives don’t get to complain about things? Because every one of those implications are dumb as shit, especially if you have any historical knowledge of civil rights movements.

      No, instead you’ve taken a stance historically used to oppress civil rights movements, using a false dilemma to essentially proport that one cannot talk about the issue because that is wasting time not doing some unknown thing about it.

      And by virtue of your own post, why are you arguing with people about people arguing instead of helping trans people get the rights they deserve?

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      • Alpha71@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        why are you arguing with people about people arguing instead of helping trans people get the rights they deserve?

        I’m not arguing. I’m responding.

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• nadir@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  You never changed your mind because of something you read online?

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  • Alpha71@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’ve never had someone who is arguing with me on the internet change my mind.

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    • MrPoopbutt@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Have any of your views changed as you learned new things?

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      • tias@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        My experience has been that people on the Internet don’t try to teach you new things, they just attack your person, make unsubstantiated claims, or make overly broad references like “go read a book.” Even when you just ask questions without making any claims of your own, they will assume that you’re implying something instead of taking the question at face value. It’s extremely frustrating.

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      • Alpha71@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Of course, but some keyboard warrior shouting at me in the comments never has.

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• Surreal@programming.dev ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Open-minded people learn and change their opinion when presented with facts and discussions

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  • Alpha71@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The key words there are “open minded.”

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    • Kichae@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The person one responds to isn’t always the audience for the response.

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  • aidan@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    When people are toxic to dissenters online they don’t think they’re open minded people

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