Comment on Google admits it's making YouTube worse for ad block users

Cagi@lemmy.ca ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• yiliu@informis.land ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  This has nothing to do with net neutrality. Google is not an ISP. With or without net neutrality, Google could fuck with YouTube users.

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  • atrielienz@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Technically false. Google is an ISP. But they aren’t using their position as an ISP to slow down traffic or fast track other traffic in this instance so no it has nothing to do with net neutrality.

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  • TrickDacy@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Only if we narrow our scope to the commonly thought of types of net neutrality. I think if we had foreseen intentionally treating browsers differently, this type of thing would have 100% been rolled into that original conversation about net neutrality. It’s the same idea: artificially modifying a web experience for capitalist gain.

    I personally wish it could be illegal for them to do this, but I do think it would be really hard to enforce such a law.

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    • yiliu@informis.land ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Illegal to do…what? Not offer high-res videos? To have any delay before streaming videos? To refuse to serve you videos, even if doing so caused them to lose money? How would you enforce that on Google, much less on smaller startups? Would it apply to PeerTube instances?

      Google sucks for doing this. It’ll drive people to competitors–hopefully even federated competitors. But laws to ‘fix’ the problem would be nearly impossible to craft–and would be counterproductive in the long term, because they’d cement the status quo. Let Google suck, so that people switch away from it.

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      • TrickDacy@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Discriminate against browsers.

        And I did write that it would be too hard to enforce. I’m a software developer so I understand that it’s more complicated than it sounds.

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  • applebusch@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Google is literally an ISP. They provide my internet service.

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    • yiliu@informis.land ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Well, fair. But even in that case, they have every right to degrade your YouTube experience, as owners of YouTube. As ISP (I mean, assuming NN was still a thing) they couldn’t selectively degrade traffic, but YouTube has no obligation to you under net neutrality.

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  • C126@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Thank you

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• alekwithak@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Not just YouTube. Now I have to say I’m not a robot when searching from my phone because I dare use a VPN that’s not theirs.

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  • Reddfugee42@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This is because scammers and criminals often use VPNs. They actually should be doing that.

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    • zergtoshi@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Do you know the old saying:
      if privacy is outlawed, only outlaws will have privacy.

      Just because prople might do stuff with things that isn’t intended or even illegal doesn’t mean you should be banning said things.
      Otherwise we’d be in a world where we have no kitchen knives, axes, wrenches, food, money, cars, planes, ships, bikes, hands, feet - you know what I mean?

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      • CthuluVoIP@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        And guns.

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    • oce@jlai.lu ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      There are many legitimate uses of VPN such as protecting your privacy from private interests and bypassing censorship. That’s collective punishment.

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    • CmdrShepard@lemmy.one ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      What’s scammy or criminal about doing a Google search?

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      • Reddfugee42@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        It’s probably part of their DDOS protection.

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    • Malfeasant@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You know what else spammers and criminals often do? Breathe. We need to make that more difficult.

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      • Reddfugee42@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Straight to slippery slope fallacy. Cute.

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• superduperenigma@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I still remember Ajit Pai’s dumbass teeth as he smugly insisted that you’ll still be able to “‘gram’ your food” before covering a Chipotle bowl in a mountain of flaming hot Cheetos and an ocean of Sriracha. That whole fucking video was basically “you can still waste time with your bread, circuses, and creature comforts, you fucking peasants,” while ignoring every legitimate criticism of the decision to gut NN.

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• Cold_Brew_Enema@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  DAE nET nEUtrAliTY?!?!

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