Comment on Boy, 15, given official warning after saluting as neo-Nazis marched through Ballarat

• muntedcrocodile@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  First they came for the xyz, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a xyz.

  And yes i get the historical context behind that funny how u can apply it to everyone.

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  • Marsupial@quokk.au ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    A tolerant society cannot tolerate intolerance.

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    • muntedcrocodile@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      “I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be unwise.” - Karl Popper

      Banning certain kinds of speech doesn’t prevent the thought behind it. The speech will continue, it just won’t be where you can police it.

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      • Marsupial@quokk.au ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        And those things are very much not happening. Neo Nazis incidents are increasing in this country, so they’re not being kept in check and rational argument is irrelevant when racism is irrational.

        Also let’s add the rest of your quote in

        But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols. We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant. We should claim that any movement preaching intolerance places itself outside the law and we should consider incitement to intolerance and persecution as criminal, in the same way as we should consider incitement to murder, or to kidnapping, or to the revival of the slave trade, as criminal.

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      • rainynight65@feddit.de ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Countering fascism by rational argument and keeping it in check by public opinion has been tried. It hasn’t worked.

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      • ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Wait a minute, do you mean to tell me that the guy everyone is always smugly quoting in support of broad censorship might have had more nuanced views? Thanks a lot, you just made the world more complicated and pretty much ruined my entire week.

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  • 520@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    But you obviously don't get the historical context - because most of the people the Nazis came for never came back alive.

    They weren't handing out slaps on the wrists. When they knocked, they were there to take lives.

    Why on earth you think that we ought to give such people a voice in society is bewildering.

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    • muntedcrocodile@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I beleive very strongly in equality, even for evil fuckers. I also believe its our juty to ignore them and encorage others to do the same.

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      • 520@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        The problem with engaging Nazis and other hate groups like this is that they never plan on stopping at merely voicing their opinion. Violence against someone else, their target demographic, is their endgame.

        They aren't like you and me, who want what's best for society but are guided by different philosophies. If they want power, it is only to abuse against their target group. Otherwise they are far more interested in recruiting people willing to do violence against their target groups.

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      • OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Ask Europe how well ignoring the Nazis in 1939 worked out for them.

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      • Ilandar@aussie.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I also believe its our juty to ignore them

        ???

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      • rainynight65@feddit.de ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Jesus fucking Christ, this is like the joke about the people voting for the Lepoards eating People’s Faces party, except they’re actually lining up to have their faces eaten.

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  • Kolanaki@yiffit.net ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    These are the motherfuckers who want to take X/Y/Z away and we are speaking out against them. Jesus, man.

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