The Third Reich started with exactly that ‘offensive hand gesture’.
It culminated in war and mass murder. Learn your fucking history.
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muntedcrocodile@lemmy.world 11 months ago
If we dont let our enemies have freedom of expression why should we have it. If he was explicitly calling for violence arrest him but an offensive hand guesture is just hurt feelings.
rainynight65@feddit.de 11 months ago
muntedcrocodile@lemmy.world 11 months ago
So i draw the line before war, mass murder, and violance u obviously draw it before free expression.
520@kbin.social 11 months ago
You don't quite get how these things work, do you?
By the time things get to "war, mass murder, and violance", it is far too late to stop it. Nobody is in a position to stop it.
"war, mass murder, and violance" is the end goal of the Nazis and other hate groups. They are not content with merely voicing their opinion. They are not up for debating societal ideals. The only reason they might be handing out flyers on a street corner is so they can recruit people willing to Molotov synagogues or other gathering places of their targets.
rainynight65@feddit.de 11 months ago
Since you’re so eager to grant free expression to fascists, you probably don’t realise that if they get into power, the first thing they will take a way from you is free expression.
Go figure.
m13@lemmy.world 11 months ago
The ideology of neo-liberalism is so fucking cursed. You don’t even understand how your own ideology functions and how you shut down leftists and allow fascism to grow.
Marsupial@quokk.au 11 months ago
Oh woe is me, society is ruined when racists can’t freely spread hate.
Fuck off wanker.
muntedcrocodile@lemmy.world 11 months ago
First they came for the xyz, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a xyz.
And yes i get the historical context behind that funny how u can apply it to everyone.
Marsupial@quokk.au 11 months ago
A tolerant society cannot tolerate intolerance.
muntedcrocodile@lemmy.world 11 months ago
“I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be unwise.” - Karl Popper
Banning certain kinds of speech doesn’t prevent the thought behind it. The speech will continue, it just won’t be where you can police it.
520@kbin.social 11 months ago
But you obviously don't get the historical context - because most of the people the Nazis came for never came back alive.
They weren't handing out slaps on the wrists. When they knocked, they were there to take lives.
Why on earth you think that we ought to give such people a voice in society is bewildering.
muntedcrocodile@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I beleive very strongly in equality, even for evil fuckers. I also believe its our juty to ignore them and encorage others to do the same.
Kolanaki@yiffit.net 11 months ago
These are the motherfuckers who want to take X/Y/Z away and we are speaking out against them. Jesus, man.