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I like the concept of being able to talk openly about men’s issue. That liberation name is unfortunate; in my opinion, it definitely sounds at least apologetic towards misogyny. What do we have to be liberated from?

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oshitwaddup@lemmy.antemeridiem.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Consider that patriarchy hurts men too. There’s a lot of pressure to be a certain way in order to “be a man”, no crying or expressing emotions beyond anger or happiness, gotta be tough, that sort of thing. We can and should liberate ourselves from those toxic expectations

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- spaduf@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Naw you nailed it. It’s a reference to Women’s Lib
  
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spaduf@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
It’s a reference to the women’s lib movement. You’re to be liberated from traditional gender roles

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- themeatbridge@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Sure, but if you have to spend this much time explaining what you mean, it seems counterproductive. And it’s going to attract the toxic personalities and opinions that we’re supposed to be liberating from.
  
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  - spaduf@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Women’s liberation is not some esoteric piece of history. It’s in living memory for a lot of people and was a household term for many years. For those unfamiliar, I think it’s worth asking why that may be.
    
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    themeatbridge@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Right, but Women’s Liberation from what? A patriarchal society that oppressed and exploited women. Men’s Liberation is not at all the same. I agree with the mission statement, but women were second class citizens, denied education, denied positions of power, denied basic human rights and civic decency.
    
    Men don’t require that level of liberation. Casting off societal pressures and expectations, living free of gender-based norms or requirements, and discussing how those pressures affect your life, those are noble pursuits and I’m here for it. I support that. I’m on your side.
    
    I’m just saying that the comparison doesn’t highlight the things you want to highlight. The implication is that the struggle is the same, that the severity is equivalent, and in the worst case, the roles are reversed. Misogynistic morons will try to co-opt the name to say that men need liberation from women, and that’s just an absurd fantasy held by an alarming number of neckbearded alpha bros. It implies you support the patriarchy. I know you don’t. But I didn’t know that from the community name, I learned that by reading the explanation.
    
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charlytune@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
The name isn’t new, it comes from the same place as women’s lib, afaik the concept of Mens Lib has been around since the 70s. We all want to be free of harmful and unnecessary gender stereotypes. r/menslib was a great subreddit.

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