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saltesc@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Ah. So the “left” aren’t social left, they just see money as the answer to all social progression too. Got it. Well that explains our current Western progress and predicament.
irmoz@reddthat.com 9 months ago
RooPappy@kbin.social 9 months ago
You calling me crazy? Just 'cause I got a hotel in my foot doesn't make me a boogalymoogalymoogaly!
frunch@lemmy.world 9 months ago
What does your comment mean though? Feel free to attack my reading comprehension but i don’t actually think your comment is making a statement. Distill it so my slow ass understands and maybe (and that’s a big maybe) we can try to have some sort of conversation. Judging by the downvotes i presume your opinion is unpopular–i just don’t understand it well enough to see why.
grue@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Judging by the downvotes i presume your opinion is unpopular–i just don’t understand it well enough to see why.
Asked and answered. It’s incoherent borderline word salad and just comes across as really really trollish, especially with the edit demanding “discourse.”
Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
I think his comment is reading way way too much into it. The comic is basically saying that “left” is willing to question authority, while “right” takes it as gospel and asks for more.
There’s also the claim that criticising weath disparity while living in a very weath-centric system is somehow an endorsement of that weath-centric system.
Guy seems to just want to dump on the idea of left, so I’ll leave a downvote and let him dump in peace.
HonoraryMancunian@lemmy.world 9 months ago
You criticise wealth disparity, yet live in a capitalist society. Curious. I am very intelligent.
frunch@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Thanks for taking the time to break that down for me. I will just go ahead and attack my own reading comprehension–i never would have deduced that from their comment, no way.
watson387@sopuli.xyz 9 months ago
Could it also have something to do with the fact that nowadays what’s called “the right” in the US are extremists and what’s called “the left” are center-right/right wing?
Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
Maybe. Seeing some of the follow up commonts, it feels more like a no true scotsman fallacy.
“You can’t be left without being extreme left” “the left doesn’t do moderate left things!” “Thinking about money proves you aren’t left!”
As if wanting anything less than a money-free socialist utopia yesterday isn’t left enough.
HelloHotel@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Ive made the same errors as @saltesc@lemmy.world before and probably worse. For me it came from a depressed headspace and bad mindset.
saltesc@lemmy.world 9 months ago
My opinion is left and it’s annoyed that someone would say the comic is left.
While the comic is focused on distribution and accumulation of wealth being an issue, actual left recognises finance as an issue. Society doesn’t require wealth for equality. People can be rich in leftism. Leftism is social. Social issues is what it addresses. Thinking “left” is somehow attached to finance is fundamentally anti-social. Thinking money should be better disteibuted and not hoarded by the rich is acknowledging money is power which is anti-social.
None of us with national healthcare systems got them by considering money and the rich and who has and who doesn’t have money. We got them by acknowledging health as a social issue. Money be damned.
None of us with nationally assisted higher education got it by considering money and the rich and who has or doesn’t have money. We got it by acknowledging education as a social issue. Money be damned.
None of us that with gun regulation got it by considering money and the rich and who has or doesn’t have money. We got them by acknowledging public safety as a social issue. Money be damned.
This comic… “Nah, it’s money, hey. That’s what’s stopping us. I’m left 👉👈” It’s kind of insulting to the ideology. And I expected backlash on here because Lemmy seems to be riddled with backseat leftists that don’t actually know what it is. By acknowledging money as some big value implies that when it comes time to pay for social equality, Lemmingtons and the author of this comic will be upset to be getting less money. That’s not an issue when money takes anback seat to social progression aka actual left.
marx2k@lemmy.world 9 months ago
No one knows what you’re talking about
PsychedSy@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
Robin Hood liked the king. He was noble himself.
saltesc@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Oh yeah, haha. Prince*
dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 months ago
You and all of the new conservative sign ups on Lemmy need to go back to 4chan or Truth and have your circle jerk. Lemmy was safely claimed by leftists. You’re gonna have a bad time here.
saltesc@lemmy.world 9 months ago
You’re making bold assumptions and trying to place me in a tribe you see the world as—but I’m of none of the things you mentioned nor even close. You feel you can say that without much thought or concern though because you feel as though you’re protected in your camp, why would you declare it so loudly that I know where I am? The reality is, your camp is small, one of millions, and insignificant in global society and culture. You also clearly know as much about conservatism as leftism if you think anything of what I said was ideals or association of conservatism. This must be just what you’ve learned in your camp.
But, hey. You keep fighting that “us vs them”—whoever the fuck they are—thing you got going on. That’s the irony of your self-painted banner. It doesn’t help the world progress and encourages we remain conservative of its old social ways and setbacks.
Tribalism is for the old, the weak, and a disgrace on what we’re supposed to be and could be. The world’s long been too small for you to bark like a yard dog and be intolerant of everything that walks by. Maybe it’s time you start reading about the things you claim to hold so dearly. Or don’t. I’m a 4chan “conservative” after all. Nazi next, hm?
lugal@sopuli.xyz 9 months ago
The Left: Rich people are the problem
saltesc: So you agree that money is power? Gotcha!
Everyone: What does that even mean?
saltesc: Don’t dismiss my word salad without discourse!
saltesc@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Well, actual left doesn’t base itself on economical attributes. So it’s interesting to see a meme go straight to wealth while claiming leftism. Part of being on the left is recognisimg wealth as a faux controller and issue. Actual left doesn’t socially want n on it too. Actual left would aim at rejecting an acknowledgement of wealth by reinforcing services and freedoms to all without requirement of wealth, thus diluting the importance and value of money.
A lot of the replies seem to be the trending American ideas of leftism which are very new and very unique to a $27T GDP and stinks of social issues. Kind of trying to force the two to connect, but that’s not how leftism works.
Y’all can literally Google it right now if you need to know what being left is. It’s social equality you’re meant to be working on, not getting a piece of the pie. Recognising and blaming distribution of wealth is literally opposing leftism because it’s acknowledging and giving finance power. The comic is more “I feel left out” when it should be “your money is nothing”.
clanginator@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Bro wants to sound important and educated soooo bad. I actually giggled reading “economical attributes”. Like I don’t think even you understand what you’re trying to say.
Leftists want this. You’re not saying something revolutionary. The problem is that in America, getting democratic socialism with redistribution of wealth is much more realistic than a total social overhaul like you’re suggesting.
Uhhh no. Capitalism and the govt give finance power. Recognizing and attempting to use the system to better the lives of people isn’t the problem, it just isn’t the ideal solution. It’s a stop-gap.
You can claim “true leftism” all day, but I live in reality where half-assed solutions are better than nothing.
lugal@sopuli.xyz 9 months ago
TIL criticism of the status quo isn’t left. Neither is criticizing power dynamics. It’s not about sharing the cake equally but pretending the cake doesn’t exist. This will feed the hungry and house the homeless.
Sure, occupying empty houses will house the homeless but only if you are prepared for the power dynamics which is the police will evict you in no time. I wish money was nothing but force ain’t nothing and the state has a monopoly on force, so as long as they think money is something, it is. Good luck with your mutual aid initiative or what ever it is you are doing and we can try to change the system, but we can’t just ignore it.
saltesc@lemmy.world 9 months ago
States where the society views money as less important than social issues/equality already have and will continue to get progressive social benefits. You can’t put a value on something if every expects it to be free. Lack of wealth is not an issue when everyone expects things to be free. But by recognising wealth and pricetags does money become important and thus hoarded. Th cake isn’t money, it’s cake. You don’t need money redistributed for everyone to get cake when cake is expected as a social staple and offset by the society as a whole.
This is fundamental leftism. A society won’t achieve it if they’re focused on people having more money than them. “But how will I pay for cake if they have all the money?!” Uhhh, you don’t. You demand the cake and halt everything until you get the cake. Once everyone has cake, back to business as usual.
I can’t recall a single historical social issue that was resolved by acknowledging and redistributing wealth. Enough people just demanded it and social equality happened.