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Comment on Toyota boasts new battery technology with 745-mile range and 10-minute charging time — here’s how it may impact mass EV adoption

SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

That’s great. Build it. Until this hits the showroom floor, I don’t care. Electric cars have been consistently 10 years away for the past like 30 or 40 years. For every other automaker, electric cars are now here today. Except Toyota, where they are still 10 years away. And for me, The electric car isn’t 10 years away, it’s parked in my driveway. So as far as I’m concerned, this is all just press bullshit to try and discredit current EVs and buy Toyota time to continue pushing gas and hybrid.

And as for the whole thing of people not buying EVs, that’s twofold. One, people are hurting right now, and people in bad economic condition get really price conscious. The second gas prices go up they’ll all be trading their gas guzzlers for EVs. Second, the simple fact is a lot of EVs on the road kind of suck. And other than Tesla, the public charging infrastructure is awful so if you like road trips you’re going to have a bad time. Given that in another year other automakers will mostly be switching to Tesla charge ports, unless you’re buying a Tesla there’s some logic in waiting.

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ebc@lemmy.ca ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I bought a car last summer, and I had my wallet out ready to buy an EV. I had only 2 criteria:

Must seat at least 6 (I have 4 kids)

Must be under 100k CAD (a bit beyond my budget, but I’m willing to stretch to avoid gas)

Guess how many models were available? 1 - the Tesla Model Y, 7-seater option. And I did order one, but they cancelled my order because they stopped selling that variant in Canada.

So that’s why I am not buying an EV. Manufacturers can’t be arsed to build a car that meets my very simple criteria; they prefer making another boring 5-seater crossover or yet another humongous “luxury” SUV. I want a minivan, dammit.
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- JTskulk@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  “Simple criteria.” Dude, you live in the north pole and have enough kids to field a MOBA team, you need Santa to make you clown car.
  
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  - antik@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Who is the the clown though, you brought absolutely nothing to this conversation - just trying to be funny and failing.
    
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- Pirky@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Alternatively, you could go the hybrid route as those are arguably even better for most people. Plus their batteries are usually large enough you can get 20-40 miles of all electric driving. That alone covers over 95% of all people’s trips.
  There are a few options in that category. I believe Toyota’s Highlander is a 3 row hybrid. I think Hyundai’s new Santa Fe also has a hybrid power train with 3 rows. The Mazda CX-90 is another viable hybrid. Though Idk if that officially released yet.
  
  But yeah, in terms of pure 3 row EV’s, we’re lacking.
  
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  - Joelk111@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Plugin hybrids are killer. EV around town and good MPG on road trips.
    
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  - ebc@lemmy.ca ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    My previous vehicle was a Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid (which I sold in 2022 when I left for a long trip), and I actually bought another one after Tesla cancelled my order. It is a good option, but my main gripe with it is that it doesn’t have enough electric range and it only charges on AC. I was ready to go full electric, but apparently the market isn’t.
    
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  - Sparlock@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    The Volvo EX90 is a 7 seat EV.
    
    Volvo makes quite a few EV and hybrids now. The “Overseas Delivery Tourist Experience” is also a nice touch if you ever wanted to go to sweden.
    
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- Pofski@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Honest question, what about the buzz-e?
  
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  - ebc@lemmy.ca ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    You mean the VW ID.Buzz? It’s not out yet, and I needed a car in June.
    
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    toofpic@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Are you talking about the US? They are here, in Copenhagen, and they look awesome!
    
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- AlternateRoute@lemmy.ca ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Wait list for the EV9 is already over a year and it just became “available” in Canada.
  
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- SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  You’re not wrong. A model X would also fit your bill, but last summer they were stupid expensive. Prices have come down a bit. I would suggest buying any car consider the total cost of ownership, not just ‘stretch a bit to avoid gas’. Gas cars need oil changes, tune-ups, belt replacements, and various other maintenance. EVs require very little. Also, if you need more than 5 seats, don’t shun the ‘humongous’ SUV. You’re literally in that market.
  
  But for someone in the market last year, you were pretty fucked even I will admit.
  
  I do wish somebody was making an electric minivan. Closest I’m aware of is Chrysler has a Pacifica plug in hybrid. And now there’s the ID.Buzz coming out soon.
  
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  - ebc@lemmy.ca ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    The Pacifica is actually what I ended up buying.
    
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    SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Oh yeah I hear ya. You’d like a big SUV like a Tahoe or Suburban, you don’t need fancy leather seats and big touchscreen and a little motor that massages your butt while you drive (and you don’t want to pay for that stuff).
    
    Not much in that regard available these days…
    
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    Sparlock@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I’ve been looking at the EV9 and people who have driven it seem to love a lot about it, except for one thing. The incessant beeping. It has safety features that beep about everything and often you don’t know why it’s even doing it. You can turn it off but they only stay disabled till you turn it off. next time you get in bEep BEep beEp.
    
    My wife would end up lighting it on fire and pushing off a cliff she would be so annoyed. If there is no way to permanently disable it then hard pass.
    
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RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
The only thing that will sell that car is if it actually gets those charge and range numbers, it’s affordable - and I mean affordable relative to current average ICE cars, not EVs; and it actually does car things that people want. Not built like a tin can, decent interior and seating, etc.

Current EVs price most people out of the market right away. Range and charge times eliminate a lot more people. Towing reducing range rapidly in EV trucks seems to keep people away because it’s not doing what a ICE truck can do despite all the power the motor has.

Yes, we’re still in the relatively early stages of EV development, so I’m not trying to bash EV. I’m very much for them. Just got a PHEV and love it, going for weeks and only burning 1/8 tank of gas is f’n awesome. But straight EV has a lot of work to do to become viable for the masses.

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ferralcat@monyet.cc ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
LoL. There’s a Google tech talk where the guys doing the autonomous driving DARPA challenge talk about how slow and awful military contractors are. Then they say “we just took off the shelf gps systems (you know, the ones the military contractors spent decades designing and building) and built something that works! Look how much faster the private sector is!”

That talk is 15 years old now.

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- SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Oh for sure. There’s a whole industry of them, and they all milk Uncle Sam for everything the taxpayers worth with little need to produce real result. Look at SpaceX versus SLS. Well it’s true that SLS design was handicapped by Congress requirement to use old shuttle parts, the result is still a giant boondoggle that is very late, tens of billions over budget, and best case is going to cost $2 billion for each launch (which can only happen once every year or so). Meanwhile, all SpaceX expenditures to date including development of Falcon 1, Falcon 9, Starship, Super Heavy, Merlin, Raptor, and construction of an entire spaceport in Texas, have cost them by most estimates less than Boeing took to design one rocket. SpaceX is launching Falcon 9 twice a week. And to compete with SLS, once Starship is online it could theoretically launch once a day for $20 million rather than once a year for $2 billion.
  
  Private sector can be efficient, but only when their own bottom line depends on efficiency. When there’s cost plus contracts involved, it really doesn’t.
  
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vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Also most of Tesla’s worth is in stock. If that ever collapses theres a good chance those stations will be little more than scrap.

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- Buddahriffic@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Other car makers have adopted that charger, I’m sure they would grab those up.
  
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- SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Strong disagree. Let’s say Tesla stock collapses. They are still a very profitable company with a product that sells well. So unless they’re finances are structured in such a way that makes a stock price collapse catastrophic, they would continue to sell cars. They’re charging network is actually one of the most valuable things they have. It’s taken them a decade plus to get that infrastructure installed, there are more stations and stalls than all other charging networks combined in the US. That’s why just about every automaker has pledged to adopt the Tesla charging connector. They recognize that pinning their EV future to Electrify America’s shitty unreliable network is not a success strategy, and part of the reason their EVs aren’t selling is because public charging on road trips is a nightmare.
  
  So no, those stations aren’t scrap. They’re insanely valuable. Even if you assume something horrible happens to Tesla and everybody decides not to adopt that connector, the stations can be easily retrofit to use the CCS connector that other automakers use currently.
  
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