The difference is that for one side the “violations of the Geneva convention” are not being carried out by the duly elected government 🤔
PrivateNoob@sopuli.xyz 7 months ago
Algorithm probably plays a sizeable part in that, but as an older gen Z fella I have become indifferent to both countries of this conflict. Both Israel and Palestine just race with each other who can check the most boxes in the Geneva Convention rules list. Just leave those 2 to sort this mess out for themselves, It’s not like we get a Holy Site bonus effect by owning Jerusalem.
5C5C5C@programming.dev 7 months ago
dojan@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Yeah. Like obviously no one thinks that what Hamas is doing is in any way right, but at the same time Palestine has been shrinking. Palestinians have been treated poorly for decades, and they have no recourse.
It’s hardly surprising that an organisation like Hamas would crop up. People are being erased and they want desperately to continue living.
I cannot truthfully say that I wouldn’t lash out in violence if my life was threatened.
PrivateNoob@sopuli.xyz 7 months ago
Hmm haven’t heard of it, but I believe in your statement.
SSUPII@sopuli.xyz 7 months ago
+20% Monthly Piety and +20% County Conversion Speed
This are the bonus effects for owning it! Makes your dynasty so much more powerful if you then divert from your reign’s religion. But be prepared for an holy war against you if you do so.
(this is ck3 btw)
ferralcat@monyet.cc 7 months ago
I think people’s issue is that you (the west) is funding one side of it.
I’m pretty isolationist too though. Pull the funding to both sides. Let them figure it out themselves (Israel will probably not exist in the end of this scenario).
phillaholic@lemm.ee 7 months ago
Israel has Nukes. Desperate people with Nukes is not a situation we want to reach. It’s so much more complicated then people are willing to admit.
PrivateNoob@sopuli.xyz 7 months ago
Yeah you’re right, another point that I should’ve made an extensive research before making my point.
Rootiest@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I think an issue that this event has really highlighted is that governments and the people who live there are not the same thing and often have conflicting beliefs
Guydht@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Israel is at the front of the war on the west, from Syria to Lebanon and Iran. It’s in the west’s interest that they exist and be strong to be a force in the middle east and defend the west from falling to jihadist rule.
amanneedsamaid@sopuli.xyz 7 months ago
Both Israel and Palestine just race with each other who can check the most boxes in the Geneva Convention rules list. Just leave those 2 to sort this mess out for themselves
Wow.
PrivateNoob@sopuli.xyz 7 months ago
Please educate me then. Narrowed down to this conflict only Israel killed HUGE amounts of civilians but Hamas militants initiated this entire conflict by creating massacres all over Israel.
Of course, I’m not stating that Israel or Palestine is doing the right thing, it’s just sad (and tiring) to see another war where BOTH sides don’t take civilian lives into consideration at all. What’s your disagreement for me being indifferent? I would be a pretty happy person if someone could put a stop on this entire conflict, but this probably won’t ever happen.
amanneedsamaid@sopuli.xyz 7 months ago
“Narrowed down to this conflict only”. There. Thats my explanation. Casting a century of genocide aside and focusing only on this conflict is silly.
Also, you’re operating under the assumption this is a war between Israel and Palestine, but Palestine is not a country Israel decided to be at war with. “Palestine” is what remains of the obstacle to Israel’s legitimacy. I
PrivateNoob@sopuli.xyz 7 months ago
Your assumption is totally understandable but our debate would need way longer paragraphs since this massacre has numerous amounts of conflicts starting from the 40s.
Yes that’s correct, I was indeed under the assumption that Palestine exists as a country. Thank you for pointing this out.
dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de 7 months ago
That’s pretty reductive on the Palestinian side no?
Considering more than half the populous wasn’t even born when Hamas took power.
foggy@lemmy.world 7 months ago
To be fair to them, it’s not as though the Israel Palestine conflict is black and white. It is pretty well known to be one of the most complex conflicts in human history.
Just about any statement that isn’t very well researched and laboriously constructed is like 95% likely to be reductive to some and offensive to others.
I’m sure someone reads this post as reductive, and I am only tangentially referring to the conflict.
demesisx@infosec.pub 7 months ago
It’s really not. It’s a land grab by a colonist ethno-state that drummed up some bullshit about that land being their destiny when they really came from what is now known as Iraq. They intentionally make the issue “complicated” by putting ethnicity at its center, making even valid criticisms of this colonization punishable as a hate crime.
Narauko@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I think some citation is necessary for the assertion that the Jewish people were not historically from the Levant region, and have no ancestoral “claims” in Jerusalem and the surrounding territory. I would love to see some anthropology studies or papers on the bronze age Israelites being proto-Asyrian or Persian and not one of the Canaanite tribes.
I’d also like to point out that basically every war ever has been and will probably be a land grab, wrapped up in some rationalized or causative skin. That stretch of land in particular has been conquered over and over again throughout human history, and the inhabitants forcibly immigrated and emigrated during many of these changes of power. Mesopotamia has been birthing empires since humans discovered it and it became a cradle of human civilization.
barsoap@lemm.ee 7 months ago
No it’s perfectly simple: Hamas, Kahanites and the like are fascists and ruin it, on both sides, for everyone, with their warmongering.
The only real mistake you can make in this conflict is see it as “Muslims vs. Jews” or “Palestinians vs. Israelis”: It’s decent people all over against assclowns and even entertaining those two “vs.” there is playing right into their hands.
OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I’m definitely guilty of reductionism and offending people with my views. I don’t hold tightly to them, overall. I don’t like the indiscriminate murder of the innocent, but I also think that comparing this recent exchange of pleasantries between Israel and Hamas to Nazi Germany is offensive in and of itself.
Of course, the rhetoric that both sides of this filthy conflict use serves to display the deep hatred that exists ay the core of it.
PrivateNoob@sopuli.xyz 7 months ago
Ahh yes, that’s a good take, I forgot that the Gaza Strip area is extremely young compared to the average, but please educate me then. I wasn’t suggesting that the Palestinians deserve this for supporting or voting for Hamas, they have their justified reason.
As I recall Hamas has initiated massacres (and before, also installing military buildings in civil areas and probably some more). Just to not sound biased of course Israel had made its fair share of war crimes like bombing civilian areas where military buildings weren’t even present and bunch more probably.
Of course, it’s absolutely brutal observing this even more so that the Israeli minister didn’t give 2 shits to the Pope’s request (ironic), but what can we do? Can we really put a stop to this without escalating things further and risking creating a bigger conflict than it currently is?