Comment on Auto execs are coming clean: EVs aren't working

assassinatedbyCIA@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

• cybersandwich@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  If you want to talk about real solutions to climate change I wouldn’t aim as consumer facing things like cars or household recycling. That’s all BS to make people focus on what their role in it is to distract from the fact that the vast majority of emissions come from things like:

  Industrial and manufacturing processes Electricity and heat generation Transportation (with vast majority being bunker fueled chips, and agriculture.

  Me getting 25mpg versus 30 ain’t moving the needle on the emissions numbers the same way moving to renewables for electricity generation and eliminating shipping emissions would. Or mitigating agricultural emissions which produces tons of the worst kinds of greenhouse gasses (methan and nitrous oxide).

  And then we have fugative emissions from unintentional leaks or more accurately irresponsible processes and maintenance from things like fracking, oil/gas extraction and transport. Quite literally just drilling into gas and releasing it into the air.

  But yea, my Honda is the problem.

  I’m not saying everyone has a part to play, but don’t let the arguments and focus be on anything other than the big culprits of greenhouse gas emissions. We could pass meaningful regulations and provide meaningful incentives and actually move the needle on green house gasses.

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  • assassinatedbyCIA@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Focusing on constructing transit oriented cities is a systems based solution to climate change. Not an individual consumer facing solution.

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• FrankTheHealer@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  And taxing companies that produce a significant amount of carbon emissions?

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• Maalus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  What about banning all trade shipping?

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  • mriormro@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Trade shipping is incredibly efficient when it comes to moving large quantities of goods. Transportation, as a whole, consumes about a quarter of the world’s energy output. Meanwhile industry verges on near 60%. A large portion of that is refining and manufacturing coupled with new construction.

    While I understand that people’s immediate reaction is that we need more EVs or, on the extreme end, somehow restrict cars. People also need to understand that’s not the sector that is going to have the most corrective impact on the coming climate disasters.

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    • InvisibleShoe@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      They are also trying out old-school sail ships

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• Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  “building cities”

  Well, one can attempt to make it easier going forward but this isn’t sim city where you can just demolish your entire infrastructure and remake it to suit your needs.

  Doing so will take decades to even start to have an impact on personal vehicle usage. Decades we don’t really have.

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  • Virulent@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    We used to lift cities up to support sewer systems and now adding relatively simple infrastructure seems out of reach. Neoliberalism has completely ruined our ability to invest in public infrastructure

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  • assassinatedbyCIA@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’m not really saying it can be done overnight. But imagine if all the money (heck even half the money) that went into trying to build electric cars went into building some good transit systems supported by strong transit oriented design. It would have done way more to tackle climate change than making cars EVs. It’s a long term process but one that far more likely to make a difference than EVs.

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• c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Great cities are handled, now how do we make rural areas work without cars?

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  • assassinatedbyCIA@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I never said rural areas should go without cars.

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