Comment on Your Windows 10 PC will soon be 'junk' - users told to resist Microsoft deadline

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• yhvr@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I love Linux. I have it installed on 3 machines, have been using it for over 3 years, and would install it right away if I ever got a new computer.

  A couple weeks ago, I was feeling pretty exhausted and just wanted to play a game thru Proton on my laptop. I got it running, but it was unplayable because it was using my integrated GPU instead of my discrete one. I spent the night switching compositors, cables, and drivers, but none of it fixed the issue.

  The next day, feeling exhausted from fruitless debugging, I tried to launch another game via Proton that I knew had worked in the past, but it crashed on launch. I spent the whole day going thru the same steps I did the day before, but also consulting ProtonDB and trying software that would force usage of the dgpu.

  The next day, I installed Windows 10 to an external hard drive and spent the day debloating it. Drivers got installed automatically, I downloaded both games on Steam, and they just worked. So I guess I now dual-boot Windows just for the games that don’t work thru Proton. Loading game worlds and booting up take ~75% longer, but that’s to be expected because it’s running on a 4 year old HDD connected over a USB cable.

  As mentioned earlier, I love Linux a lot, and if all games had native binaries or Proton worked 100% I’d format that god-forsaken hard drive. But when real life has got me down, I don’t need Linux to get me down further. I don’t like Windows, and I feel incredibly dirty whenever I press F7 on boot to get to Windows. But when my choices are “spend 8 hours on fruitless quest to get >2fps” and “press play button”, I’m going to take the path of least resistance.

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  • squaresinger@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    That’s the thing. I love to use Linux for work, but when I don’t want to tinker it sometimes sucks for gaming.

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  • Gutless2615@ttrpg.network ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Yep. And then there’s gamepass. I vastly vastly prefer working and using Linux day to day, but games, man. Man’s gotta be able to game after a long day at work and I wasted literally a week of after work hours trying and failing to get Starfield to run on Proton.

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  • skulkingaround@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    iGPU+dGPU, esp with Nvidia is pretty bad on Linux. It’s pretty flawless these days if you’re using only one vendor and it isn’t Nvidia.

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    • netchami@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Don’t know what you are talking about. I use an Nvidia GPU with a Wayland compositor/Window manager (Hyprland to be exact) and I’ve never experienced any issues whatsoever.

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      • yhvr@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I have an external monitor that runs at 144Hz, but a while ago I realized because it was connected over HDMI, it was limited to 60Hz (for some weird reason). So I bought a DisplayPort cable, and after plugging it in the screen was flickering/artifacting in some weird way that I haven’t seen it do on X11 or Windows with the same cable. So as a result I’ve had to reluctantly switched back to i3 for daily use

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  • jeena@jemmy.jeena.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I would probably rather get a gaming console for the TV to game.

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    • vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Tbf that really depends on the kind of games you like playing.

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• TheBananaKing@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I work in a linux shop.

  You couldn’t pay me to use Windows for development, sysadmin, backend services, etc.

  But on the desktop? Hell no. We maintain a modern debian desktop environment for our users, and it’s a pain in the ass. Mediocre UX, mediocre integration of mixed-bag third-party apps, and too many workarounds and gotchas you need to Just Know About. I just don’t have the energy.

  I use windows at home, and for my underlying work environment - and I just SSH into linux boxes for the actual tappy-tappy stuff.

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  • MonkderZweite@feddit.ch ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Mediocre UX, mediocre integration of mixed-bag third-party apps, and too many workarounds and gotchas you need to Just Know About.

    You’re talking about my Windows 10 experience? The european, less spying/advertising version, mind you.

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  • vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    If only there was an OS with an excellent graphical user interface and a direct UNIX pedigree, where you can drop into a full zsh and POSIX user land directly after install at the touch of a button.

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    • TheBananaKing@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      If there’s one thing that both windows and Linux users agree on, it’s how weird and annoying macs are.

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      • sukhmel@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I’d wager that’s because “we know better what you want” in mac is even stronger than in windows. It’s all good while you are an average Joe, but other than that you either pay, or get a lot of issues setting things up.

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      • netchami@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        As a Linux user, I’d use a Mac over some garbage Windows PC any fucking time of the day. Nearly every operating system under the sun uses some kind of Unix implementation under the hood, well, except for Windows. Running anything in a command line environment under Windows is a huge pain in the ass… Not even having GNU coreutils, BusyBox or the BSD equivalent is just horrible. Just like PowerShell. And don’t even get me started on this antiquated piece of shit called cmd. Every time I see a CLI under Windows I just want to take the computer that it’s running on and throw it in the trash. At least macOS offers some standard CLI utilities and is basically out-of-the-box compatible with most Linux CLI tools. The filesystem structure is also kinda similar to what you would find on a Linux or BSD operating system. Oh, and recent Mac hardware is pretty awesome whereas Windows on ARM is unusable. And macOS at least looks visually consistent because unlike Microsoft, Apple can actually decide to use one single UI framework for all of their stuff. You can block all of the Apple spyware with a good firewall like Little Snitch and Homebrew fills the gap of the missing package manager. And unlike Winget, Homebrew actually works and is worth using. I can also set up macOS declaratively through Nix, something that won’t ever be possible on Windows either.

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• helenslunch@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Sure. As soon as Linux doesn’t require memorizing hundreds of commands for basic use, I’m sure it will become very popular.

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  • model_tar_gz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    So… today?

    I’m a Linux user. Been one for a long time.

    When I’m doing dev-work, shelling into remote VMs and stuff yeah I have to get nitty-gritty with the command-line.

    But on my regular daily-driver OS? I only use the terminal because I want to; or sometimes I think it’s more efficient. But I haven’t absolutely needed to for a long time now.

    Linux GUI has really come a long way. It’s not at MacOS level (yet), but it’s very functional and aesthetic. Give it a try.

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    • helenslunch@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I’ve been “trying” it for years. Moreso because Windows became truly unbearable than Linux got more useable.

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      • model_tar_gz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Yeah, I hear you. I still run an old MacbookPro with MacOS for personal computing stuff. I just don’t always want to tinker. It’s been a living meme: “the year of the Linux desktop” for years on years now and yet we still comprise like 0.3% of the desktop market.

        But I really do see a tide shift now. Microsoft is doubling down on the enshittification of Windows. Apple’s hardware is still—as always—prohibitively priced. Steam OS on the Steam deck. The Indian government officially adopting it—and its FOSS office application offerings. Companies like Pop!_OS and Framework are making real headway for popular adoption. HP, Dell, Lenovo all offer Linux-default laptops now, that aren’t just “Pro-Dev” offerings.

        Linux is not as polished as the for-profit offerings. Perhaps it never will be. Perhaps that’s also its appeal.

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  • Kongar@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Hundreds of commands is just not true with many distros. Everything is gui based these days. The command line is worth getting familiar with, but it’s not necessary.

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    • helenslunch@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Hasn’t been my experience. Usually needed at the bare minimum just to install and uninstall the few programs that do run in Linux.

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  • DerisionConsulting@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    If you haven’t checked out linux in 5+ years, I recommend that you check out something user-friendly like Mint. No commands needed!

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    • helenslunch@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Been using it for the last 2 years. That’s how I know.

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      • DogMuffins@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Sure ok, can you give us some examples from the hundreds of commands you need to memorise for basic use?

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  • 4am@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The time is now then!

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