Planning on a 1-to-1 swap between traditional cars and EVs is the crassest mistake. It would take a paradigm shift that emphasizes remote work, carpooling and carsharing in order to make private transportation really sustainable.
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0x0@programming.dev 1 year agoNot to mention not everyone has a garage or nearby charging spot to charge an ev.
Perhaps dealing with infrastructure first would be interesting…
100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it 1 year ago
Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 1 year ago
EVs are here to save the car manufacturers, not the planet. Literally just a bandaid solution to kick the can of actually implementing the harder solutions that require some societal change down the road a few more years
Send_me_nude_girls@feddit.de 1 year ago
Good point. It’s a sort of chicken egg problem. Lack of ev and no investment for infrastructure, resulting in even less ev.
Here they in Germany in my local town, they build hydrogen fuel stations instead of charging stations. Very strange.
0x0@programming.dev 1 year ago
Hydrogen may not be such a bad idea until there’s electrical infrastructure. Hydbrid hydrogen-electric even?
vagrantprodigy@lemmy.whynotdrs.org 1 year ago
Hydrogen cars are basically hybrids already. Hydrogen has some issues though that are unlikely to be overcome. Go watch a video of someone driving one around, if you think finding an EV charger is difficult, just try finding a hydrogen charger outside of southern California.
frezik@midwest.social 1 year ago
Hydrogen doesn’t solve any problem. It’s just a secondary set of infrastructure we’d have to invest in, and it doesn’t overlap with BEV infrastructure (excepting for some grid improvements).
AA5B@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Or maybe instead of blocking everything on the theory a complete charging solution will magically appear despite no demand, we can go ahead with the 59% of the population living in a house, and can decide to install a charger. Maybe we can go ahead with charger networks we already have, already allowing most road trips and getting better continuously. And we can use all that demand, all that money to keep building out a better and better charging solution.
FYI - buddy of mine has an EV at a townhouse with no opportunity to charge, and just goes to a supercharger once a week to top off. It may be inconvenient, but it’s not onerous
frezik@midwest.social 1 year ago
You can’t have infrastructure without the cars, and you can’t have the cars without the infrastructure. The solution to this catch-22 is to force the infrastructure to catch up.
Diplomjodler@feddit.de 1 year ago
Charging infrastructure is getting better. I’ve had an EV without hinge charging for they’re years now and I’ve managed just fine. Overall it’s no more inconvenient than having to go to a gas station.
TAG@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I have a plug-in hybrid. I try to charge while running errands. I (almost) never can. In my area, most stores don’t have chargers and those that do, typically have a slow charger with 2-4 spots. Those spots are always taken.
Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Then again, I don’t have a gas station in my backyard either…
Shopping centers/grocery stores need more charging stations, that’s the most realistic place to go to charge when you don’t have the capacity to do it at home.
100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it 1 year ago
Workplaces too.
I cannot even charge my phone at work under Italian law (I’m a public employee and it would count as malversation).
SCB@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Man I haven’t learned a new word in a long time, and “malversation” is a great one.
Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Wow that’s a bit of a stretch 😂
Voyajer@lemmy.world 1 year ago
My workplace is adding free EV charging installed at my closest building for those who work in person still.
WhiteHawk@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The issue is charging takes a while, while refuelling is pretty much instantaneous
Lobotomie@lemmy.world 1 year ago
90% of people can charge their car enough in between Shopping trips
WhiteHawk@lemmy.world 1 year ago
People that live in the city don’t usually go shopping with their cars (at least here in central Euripe) and people in the countryside will have enough space for a charger anyways.
vagrantprodigy@lemmy.whynotdrs.org 1 year ago
DC fast charging is fairly fast. My car goes from 10-80 in less than 20 minutes in summer, and probably 35 minutes in winter. My wife spends more time than that in grocery stores weekly.
DAMunzy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
4 times longer refueling is crazy that’s only 80 percent versus 100 % refueling.
Deftdrummer@lemmy.world 1 year ago
“Barring about this one minor annoyance, EV’s are great!”
ratman150@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
I either charge at home, or at work, or if there happens to be a charger at my destination but I’m almost never waiting to charge.
I’ve frequently had to wait for a pump or had to go out of my way to get to a working pump. Gas pumps don’t work when the power goes out but batteries stay charged. I’ve actually had to load up my gas generator in my ev to drive 2 towns over during a power outage to get fuel…to keep my pets alive. Car only had about 30% charge to start and roughly 22% when I was back. Generator had 0 gas to start (had just run through my old gas) and was full when I got back…also the power decided to come back on which began refueling my ev.
AA5B@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The goal is, to set them up so people aren’t necessarily waiting.
I don’t care how long it takes to charge at home: just like my phone I plug in overnight and it’s fully charged in the morning
all the grocery stores and restaurants and workplaces that have chargers are all pretty slow but you’re going to be there for a while anyway, plus they only need to recover the charge used to get there
on road trips, my stop is well under an hour but a supercharger can give back a good percentage of charge in that time
100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it 1 year ago
That’s why NIU’ system with swappable batteries is a great idea, even though it makes engineering more difficult