Comment on ‘Cyberpunk 2077’ Used AI For A Dead Voice Actor’s Performance, With Permission

Spike@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

• echo64@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Permission from the family, not the person who died. Is it okay for ai actors if the actors are dead and the family wants to get paid?

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  • kick_out_the_jams@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    CDPR originally thought they may replace him in the expansion and then go back and actually re-record his lines in the original for consistency’s sake but…no one really liked that idea, as it did not seem fair to his memory and his great performance.

    I really don't like the idea of doing it for entirely new performances but it doesn't seem about the money in this case.

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    • echo64@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Well, that’s where we are going.

      The reaction this is getting is simply going to fuel execs who now see that people are okay with it. And if they are okay with dead actors, they will be okay with live actors in a few years after they are used to that.

      The correct answer to all of this was the same answer we have had for as long as humans have performed, everyone acknowledges that the character won’t continue and the media pays respect in some way for the performance the actor gave.

      This resurrects the actor without the permission of the actor just of their family who may or may not have understood what was happening. Which is likely going to be the norm from here on out.

      I don’t want an AI ressurectiin of Lance Riddick in the next Horizon game either. Do you want that?

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      • p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        The reaction this is getting is simply going to fuel execs who now see that people are okay with it. And if they are okay with dead actors, they will be okay with live actors in a few years after they are used to that.

        This is nothing new. Let’s not forget Wagons East or that Pink Panther movie from the 70s.

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  • Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    To be fair it is notoriously difficult to get permission from someone who has died.

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  • MindSkipperBro12@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    If we can’t have necromancy in real life, then this will be the best we can get to bringing the dead back to life.

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  • kromem@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Do you have a problem with the family of a deceased writer who inherited the rights to their work given the writer’s will deciding on the publishing agreements for that writer’s work?

    Should we have to resort to necromancy in order to even touch any new agreements regarding the work of the deceased?

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    • echo64@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      This isn’t the creators work. This is using ai to create new things. This is akin to having an ai write a new lord of the rings sequel.

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      • kromem@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Oh, so you’d take issue with something like writing Lord of the Rings scripts based on the books, and then making movies based on the scripts?

        Or maybe you have a problem with something like the family agreeing to the creation of a TV series covering time periods outside the author’s original scope of work?

        What a horrid world we might end up living in if things like that were allowed to happen…

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  • Hildegarde@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The actor agreed to voice the character in the base game. As far as I’m aware there is no evidence of a soured relationship with the developers, no reason to deduce he would have refused to continue voicing the character were he still alive.

    It would be unethical to use a dead actor’s voice in a way they would have a good reason to object to if they could, but this doesn’t seem to be the case here.

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    • echo64@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I disagree with this entirely. You can not say"well they worked with them in the past so they must have been totally okay with an ai resurrection post death"

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      • Hildegarde@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        That’s not what I’m saying at all.

        This is not an AI resurrection.

        This is an advanced voice changer.

        They are hiring another actor to play the character, and then using a voice changer to make the new actor sound like the previous one. Were it not for the permission of the family, they would have re-cast the part, and re-recorded all of Reczek’s lines from the base game to be consistent with the re-casting. The decision is between scrubbing his previous work, or using a voice changer.

        In 2016 Disney released Rogue One, a film which featured a digital recreation of Peter Cushing, who had been dead for 22 years prior to the film’s release. Do you consider that more or less unethical than Miłogost Reczek’s voice being redone in the Cyberpunk DLC?

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  • trolololol@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Similar situations come all the time for deceased musicians and writers. that get work released after they die. You can also see the family being proud of the legacy. It’s always a mix of greed and pride, some cases go more to one side that other.

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