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• breadsmasher@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Just as something to think about, would you support the nazi and soviet campaign into poland, and the land they won from that?

  Or the british empire winning land all over the globe?

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  • StupidQuestionGuy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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    • otter@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I think a big part of this is being open to having your opinions changed. This is true for me, even on topics that I know about and have years of experience with.

      As for your main point, I’d like to reiterate again: You don’t need to pick a side, and you especially shouldn’t feel forced to pick a side when you have yet to learn more about the issue.

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    • Hyperreality@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      People will claim it is, but it really isn't. Honestly, you'll read a lot of biased answers here.

      The safest bet is to condemn the rape, murder and torture of civilians, but accept that there are no 'good' guys in this conflict.

      To give you an idea:

      You'll read a lot of comments about how Israelis stole land from the Palestinian Arabs. But Palestinains also stole land from Palestinian Jews.

      Many middle-eastern countries had significant Jewish populations before that, but almost all were forced to flee to Israel. Something like a third of Israelis are 'Arab' Jews or Mizrahi as the prefer to be called. They're not foreign invaders. They're (the family of) locals or refugees from neighbouring countries.

      Hamas are horrible, and what the last few days have been deplorable, but arguably Israel helped create them.

      Also, recent right-wing Israeli governments have consistently undermined any hope of a peace deal, meaning there's no real alternative for Palestinians.

      But, back in 2000 Israel did offer far reaching concessions to the Palestinians, so much so that IRC the Saudi ambassador said it would be a crime not to accept them or at least continue negotiating. But Arafat, the Palestinian leader at the time, did just that.

      Also, neighbouring Arab countries claim to support Palestine, but in reality when the accepted Palestinian refugees this caused them huge issues. For example in Lebanon:

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      • fkn@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Most of Israeli immigration has been from the former Soviet Union, not the middle East… Unless you count the FSU as the Middle East… Which depending on how you want to count things for displaced progress may be valid… And it really kicked off in the early 70s.

        jewishvirtuallibrary.org/total-immigration-to-isr…

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    • captainlezbian@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It’s closer to United States vs indigenous Americans

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    • dinckelman@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Nothing about the Ukrainian-Russian conflict is simple. This is based on decades of disagreements, and it’s only becoming more complicated, because history is written by the loudest asshole around

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      • TWeaK@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I mean it’s pretty simple to say that Russia invaded Ukraine. Twice.

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      • Hanabie@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        It’s very simple actually. Russia invaded a souvereign country. The end.

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  • letsroll@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Israel’s wars have been defensive.

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    • breadsmasher@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      That wasn’t part of the question/example. I was responding to “land won in war”

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• mxl@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Maybe think if by the same logic you also support Russia’s “ownership” of Crimea and Eastern Ukranine territory. If you don’t support that, then maybe you’ve been propaganded.

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• NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Uh... Since you seem new to the topic, I'd recommend you look up Israeli treatment of Palestinians in Gaza, the West Bank, East Palestine and Israel proper (they're all bad for different reasons, but the order of badness goes like this), and how the settlement process works. Note: It usually involves Palestinians being forced off their homes.

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