Why take jobs away from people? There are plenty of porn actors who are not being abused. Why would we want to centralize it all more than it is with an automated “AI” tool?
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surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Can we have AI generated porn now ?
Cethin@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
wafflez@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Taking jobs from people and replacing them with automation works towards the utopia we want of having to work less so long as the labor is directly to benefit the people and not the ruling class
wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
so long as the labor is directly to benefit the people and not the ruling class
There’s a hell lot riding on that caveat. Personally I’m not as hopeful in that regard.
wafflez@lemmy.world 8 months ago
We can make it so the labor benefits the workers. I’m just saying it’s not inherently a bad thing to replace jobs with automation, like many default to
PurplePropagule@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
That’s the ideal but you know that’s not how it works at all in our current society. Replacing workers with automation just leads to workers needing to find a new job.
wafflez@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Businesses replacing them yes obviously but that’s not what I’m referring to. We shouldn’t assume automation or loss of jobs are inherently bad, we should strive for worker-benefited automation. Many people don’t even consider it at all but it directly opposes capitalistic systems in a very meaningful way
Ragdoll_X@lemmy.world 8 months ago
AI image generators don’t really lead to centralization - quite the contrary, really. While there are your DALL-Es and ChatGPTs behind closed doors, there’s also Stable Diffusion and its many variants, along with various open-source Large Language Models and several other projects from hobbyist developers. I’ve seen a lot of people make and post their own AI-generated porn with Stable Diffusion, and some who make money out of it. So while some porn actors/actresses may lose their jobs because of AI, this technology is also creating jobs for other people.
And the same can be argued about any kind of automation, so how far should we go with this idea? Should mechanical looms be banned to bring back manual weaving jobs? Should automated filters on social media be removed to create more jobs for content moderators?
I don’t think automation is the problem. A world where most jobs are automated isn’t a bad thing. A world where money takes precedent over humans and people are punished if they’re out of work - i.e. capitalism - is.
TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Should automated filters on social media be removed to create more jobs for content moderators?
Maybe not removed but we absolutely need many more people moderating online platforms. We have just so many problems from automated content moderation systems that are caused by the lack of humans reviewing content. Including this very situation, where the site let a lot of sex abuse material into their site.
I don’t think AI/automation is the problem. A world where most jobs are automated isn’t a bad thing. A world where money takes precedent over humans and people are punished if they’re out of work - i.e. capitalism - is.
Yes, but consistently advances in automation come with promises of better lives for people that do not materialize. There have been decades that people talk that we have means to make it so everyone can work less hours a day and less day a week, instead people get fired and we have even less people overworked beyond the limits that worker movements had achieved before.
Will AI really help people or will it just make it even harder for the people who do willing sex work? Given how twisted this industry is, maybe a little of both, it could turn out to be a net positive, though it . But other fields are probably only going to get the hardship.
Lets be honest, the whole point of automation is to do more work than what it replaces, so it never creates as many jobs as it takes away. Even worse, AI in particular is already primed to replace the same tech, service and artistic jobs that previous forms of automation. We will not get the same amount of jobs from AI.
What then? Back to sweatshops, to try to undercut the automation we can’t outperform? We can’t keep at this “oh well, Capitalism still didn’t change ¯_(ツ)_/¯”.
thenightisdark@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I will say that unlike the horse and buggymakers or the barrel makers or the candlestick makers who have all lost their jobs I do admit…
None of those are as inherently human as sexuality is.
Capitalism makes a great cell phone. Capitalism is terrible when it takes precedent over humans and people.
Cryophilia@lemmy.world 8 months ago
My hope is that this will kill off the makeup-crusted dead-eyed fake moan human doll bullshit that is mainstream porn.
AI can’t fake all the randomness and idiosynchracy of two real people having real sex. Maybe that’s what human porn will coalesce around.
Krauerking@lemy.lol 8 months ago
Ew the other replies to this are so weird. Fuck people really not seeing how having someone like Meta in charge of generating all porn could be a really fucked up thing because it’s better for humans to do nothing at all? Christ that is a bleak fucking idea of a utopia.
Just because you nerds can’t handle the idea of sex doesn’t mean it should just all be generated.
WhipTheLlama@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I can envision a world where the search bar is an AI prompt. What a time to be alive that will be!
I wonder if we can also browse other peoples’ prompts. That would be cool.
countflacula@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
Oh… oh no…
dutchkimble@lemy.lol 8 months ago
Microsoft edge/bing is already a search bar that is an AI prompt now
DogMuffins@discuss.tchncs.de 8 months ago
what will hot singles near me do for money though?
eatthecake@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Why, you need rape porn?
Ookami38@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Such a reductive take. Maybe they want porn that isn’t borderline, or questionable. Something where there’s zero potential for abuse. Unless you yourself are privy to the inner workings of each company and the story of each model individually, then you’re running into a risk of stuff not being kosher just by nature of the content.
Plus, yeah, what about people who are into more extreme things? May as well let them have an outlet for their desires that doesn’t actually have anyone getting raped.
Dozzi92@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Maybe they just want blue alien people.
Cryophilia@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Something like 2/3 of all women have rape fantasies.
It’s really not that extreme
Ookami38@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
I dotn know if you meant to reply to me, I’m kinda in agreement with you lol
eatthecake@lemmy.world 8 months ago
May as well let them have an outlet yeah? Some of us dont want to live on that planet. I dont even want to live on the essential porn planet. As if men need more stimulation. Can the penis not be the center of the universe? Nope? Well fuck off then and take your porn requirement with you. I dont know know why your penis needs are foisted on people like me. Im just searching the internet but i have porn forced on me because of you. Rape porn, child porn, disgusting shit i never want to see but apparemtly its popular with dickbrains. Bugger the lott of you.
Ookami38@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
While I agree that some types of porn are pretty abhorrent, you also can’t just ignore that some people have a deviant nature inherently, and having safe outlets is better than having none.
You’d do better taking a more moderate stance that might actually change monda than trying to bludgeon an entire population with your vitriol and frankly, sexism. Direct your anger at the people making, not the relatively innocent people just watching.
funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Porn already is controleld much more than it ever has been in the history of the world.
Yes “the Victorians” or “the Puritans” took a dim view of erotic material more than we do, but access to materials just needed you to walk to the bad part of town, where you’d engage a (likely trafficked, likely underaged) sex worker.
I agree that porn can, in some circumstances, under some conditions, to certain demographics, be both a negative thing (and in other ways a positive).
However, you’re never going to rid the world of horniness without chemically castrating the entire population of the world, and then there might be paraphilias that evolve even if you do.
So it’s very much a case of what is freedom of speech, literature, art. Is The Birth of Venus porn? Could you make an argument for ancient portraits of babies with their weewee out being child porn? What about crudely drawn murals from antiquity? What about bathroom poetry? What about people having sex on a mountain (you know like we all used to do 100,000 years ago). Is Game of Thrones porn? Is 1984 by George Orwell porn? Is 120 Days of Sodom, which contains a LOT of disgusting sex and child rape, but was written to criticize/expose the aristocracy, not intended to arouse people, porn? What about Chuck Tingle, who writes to satirise porn not truly arouse?
if all of this stuff is foisted on us by existing should anything be allowed to exist?
I’m also not saying that porn is inherently good, nor am I saying nothing should be banned, but I am saying you haven’t adequately defined which porn should be banned, and without doing so you end up with a Diagenes’ plucked chicken: behold! a pornographic image!
uranibaba@lemmy.world 8 months ago
If you encounter that much porn and sex on your daily internet usage, you should be using swishcows.com. They have a built in protection that disables potentially nsfw searches.
CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 8 months ago
That’s such a binary take. Homo sapiens are not binary, they’re variable, you plot the vast majority of their behaviors on a bell curve.
True, we don’t want people to just be 100% animalistic, but there is no “magic switch” you can throw to make them just instantly 100% spiritual instead.
guacupado@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Honestly this response says more about you than anything else.
eatthecake@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Yeah i hate rape, kill me
wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one 8 months ago
Bud if thats what you think you said, you need to go back to school and relearn english.
Kirkkh@lemm.ee 8 months ago
You don’t. The people down voting you can’t make the distinction between pseudo non-con (which is actual consensual) and illegal actual rape porn.
db2@sopuli.xyz 8 months ago
But that would be immoral… 🙄
lloram239@feddit.de 8 months ago
We’ve had that for about a year now.
JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Just pictures. Stable diffusion type models have huge problems with flickering right now for videos. No consistency.
lloram239@feddit.de 8 months ago
AI as filter over real footage is getting reasonably stable.
JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
That seems like it would defeat the humane purpose, but maybe. Perhaps use a rough cg as the base layer?