Vaccines worked too well and stupid idiots that should be dead are alive.
Comment on CW: Picture of a severe vaccine injury, NSFL
01011@monero.town 4 days ago
Serious question - what happened where so many people decided that disease and premature death is superior to vaccination?
Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 4 days ago
NottaLottaOcelot@lemmy.ca 4 days ago
I wonder if it’s that most of us alive today have very little memory of people who suffered the diseases themselves. Our parents and grandparents knew people who died or had long-term negative effects from measles, polio, smalllpox, etc.
We are insulated from that to the point where some flirt with the idea that maybe the disease isn’t that bad. Combine that with mistrust in the medical system and nobody enjoying getting a needle, and you have some people that WANT vaccines to be a bust to justify avoiding something they don’t want to do.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 4 days ago
During the 50s, it was common to return to school in the fall, to find out 1 or 2 classmates had died of polio over the summer.
My wife’s family still talks about little Buzz, a cousin who died of polio in the backseat of his car, as his Dad raced to the hospital. It was in the 50s, and the old folks in the family would talk of it like it was yesterday.
fishy@lemmy.today 4 days ago
I honestly believe the education system is more to blame than anything besides the anti vax people themselves. There’s so much nonsense pseudoscience posted online by uninformed and grifters, then their cult of stupidity fills the holes with comments that reinforce the legitimacy of their quackery. Even reasonable people get sucked down the rabbit hole.
When my son was born my wife had been fed this bullshit and suggested delaying vaccination. I sat her down and was able to address her concerns and get her to understand the science and statistics so he stayed in the doctor’s recommended schedule but not everybody is going to have a spouse who cash reel then back in.
NottaLottaOcelot@lemmy.ca 4 days ago
Facebook mom groups perpetuate this pseudoscience. You are a young mom and want to commisserate with people, but half of them will scold you for things totally not scientifically sound.
I recall posts suggesting cow’s milk would poison your baby if used before 1 year old, yet cheese or yogurt was no problem. I went down the rabbit hole and it was essentially a bastardization of recommendations that breast milk or formula should be the bulk of your baby’s diet rather than cow’s milk, not that cow’s milk was poison.
Another time they scolded a mother for making a fruit smoothie, because they felt she could have overdosed on vitamin A. I’ll point out that dietary vitamin A mostly has to be converted from beta carotene to its active form, so it is incredibly hard to overdose unless you are using vitamin supplements. And yet fruit smoothie mom was in trouble, but eating 10 Big Macs was no big deal, as the magic guidelines never said no.
Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org 4 days ago
Have you ever heard about “”“vaccine hesistancy”“” or somesuch from anti-democratic countried like China or Russia? I haven’t. The Anti-Vax movement was started to damage democratic countries. Only one of many psyops against the west.
emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 3 days ago
I have some bad news for you:
Brutticus@midwest.social 4 days ago
It’s the confluence of several factor, but essentially, suspicion of the Medical Industrial Complex has been building since the mid 80s. Medical care is so expensive and the MIC so squirrely that it always had people desperately looking for ways around it, which opens the door to con artists. In the mid 90s, discredited now but not at this point in the story British doctor Andrew Wakefield was invested in (and I think part inventor of?) some new vax that targeted one of the components of MMR. In order to market it, he published a paper suggesting (quite softly iirc) that the MMR had some flaws, and advocating for parental choice to vax for each separately.
This is hogwash. The MMR has been safe and in use for something like 100 years (possibly more?). Wakefield was disgraced for this, and when the paper was cherry picked (even after the Lancet retracted it) and misquoted by the then still quite powerful but not yet in their final form anti-vaxxer movement, the disgraced Wakefield had to pivot to a new grift; speaking to Anti vaxxer gatherings, and lending them credibility to those who did not know the story (for which he did have medical license revoked).
So it follows with all of society’s issues in the 2020s; Instead of fixing a severe systemic issues, like say, our broken medical system which bankrupts people or kills them because they cant afford life saving medicine, which might involve curtailing the power of capitalists, blame instead pivots to the products instead, which people can understand. They understand their child is dying and they cant afford it, while maybe not questioning why. This opens the door to con men, which starts a cycle, as conmen want to open the door further. The conmen become the power, and then cheating just becomes business, and an army of marks becomes numerous enough that RFK becomes secretary of health, and your mom dies in a hospital hooked up to a ventilator refusing treatment because a conman said a fucking horse dewormer that he owned shares in would protect her.
Cerothen@lemmy.ca 4 days ago
Mich like in the opening scene of idiocracy: youtu.be/Rp1HUcFvJh4
Perhaps anti vaccination groups are just the natural population control trigger to counterbalance the described effect?
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 4 days ago
The Conservative Propaganda Machine
webkitten@piefed.social 4 days ago
The internet happened.
01011@monero.town 4 days ago
I remember hearing about Jen McCarthy’s crusade against vaccines years ago but she was widely mocked on the various online platforms back then.
What happened since that people are now paying serious attention to foolish, disproven theories?
just_an_average_joe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 days ago
In Pakistan and Afghanistan CIA used vaccine drives as a cover up to collect information like DNA to look for bin laden. This is why these 2 countries are the only places where polio still exists. This also created mistrusts worldwide as well.
And the most outragious part is, some people raised the concerns in the admin that this would happen, but this was CIA and national security trumps everything sso they went with it anyways.