I’m fairly certain the German ch sound doesn’t exist in English
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zaphod@sopuli.xyz 20 hours agosuchen = to search/look for
and ch doesn’t make a k sound, not even close.
meekah@discuss.tchncs.de 16 hours ago
hikaru755@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
Made even worse by the fact that depending on the word it can make two different sounds and neither of them exist in English
zaphod@sopuli.xyz 15 hours ago
In some areas people pronounce an initial ch as a k, like kina instead china. But apart from that neither of the two actual ch sounds exists in English.
CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 5 hours ago
Und often enough, ch is pronounced (t)sh, like China, duchess, choose or Apache.
nightlily@leminal.space 13 hours ago
Unless you’re a Berliner, but then you have to wonder why your baked goods are talking, and why they insist on being called Pfannkuchen instead.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 14 hours ago
Well it is close, though. A velar fricative versus a velar plosive. Both unvoiced.
jaennaet@sopuli.xyz 11 hours ago
Well it is close, though.
It’s really not though?
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 2 hours ago
That’s not a valid comparison at all, and it’s not pedantic to point that out no matter how preemptively you claim that it is.
Bilapial ≠ lapiodental! It’s not that hard to understand.
The entire similarity between K and the German Ch is based on them both being velar (and unvoiced). You’re crafting a strawman by focusing on the “fricative and plosive” manner while ignoring that the sound is made at the same place.
S and T are almost a better comparison because they’re both technically alveolar, but that ignores the fact that S has a dental component. Try making a T sound and then an S sound without moving your teeth. It won’t work.
zaphod@sopuli.xyz 3 hours ago
That’s like saying F is close to P
Korean for example doesn’t have an F sound, a lot of loanwords that have an F sound use P instead, France turns into Prangseu and coffee to copy.
InFerNo@lemmy.ml 6 hours ago
In Dutch, a T is sometimes pronounced S
Politie (police) is pronounced polisie for example
In the word politiek (politics) it remains a T sound
Democratie -> democrasie
Etcetera
zaphod@sopuli.xyz 3 hours ago
You find that in a lot of european languages, even in English almost everything that ends in -tion is pronounced -shon.
Deceptichum@quokk.au 17 hours ago
and ch doesn’t make a k sound, not even close.
Go back to school.
meekah@discuss.tchncs.de 16 hours ago
This is about German, not English
Deceptichum@quokk.au 14 hours ago
It is about English, because the whole joke is how it sounds in English.
zaphod@sopuli.xyz 16 hours ago
I just so happen to have passed by one of my old schools, what should I do next?
justme@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 hours ago
Aaah, thanks, I had a hard time to figure out what is supposed to be funny here.