Nothing is muddy about sovereignty. You either respect it or not. Everything else is just excuses to justify violating it.
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yakko@feddit.uk 1 day agoThe waters are a little muddier than that, since Iranian weapons have been hitting Ukraine for ages. There’s not much hypocrisy to be had there, it’s just sad.
BrikoX@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 1 day ago
Iran doesn’t respect Ukraine’s sovereignty, so Ukraine doesn’t respect Iran’s. Simple as.
mrdown@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Ukraine joined the sanctions on iran in 2007 for the civilian nuclear program and balistic program. That is a breach of Iran sovereignity amd before it with the same regime in place the relation between the two country was decent
oatscoop@midwest.social 1 day ago
Choosing not to do business with someone isn’t a “breach of sovereignty”.
BrikoX@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
How so? Did Iran ever breached Ukraine sovereignty?
Sepia@mander.xyz 1 day ago
Did Iran ever breached Ukraine sovereignty?
Yes, it did. It has been helping Russia doing so, which is clearly the aggressor in this war.
If you want to talk about Iranian sovereignty, I suggest you talk with Iranians. They want a regime change in their country more than anyone else.
Your argumentation here in thread - following a post about Russia’s aggression against Ukraine - is disingenuous to say the least. Unfortunately, this kind of watering down autocratic systems is still widespread here on Lemmy.
Windex007@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Why exactly does Ukraine have so much experience shooting down Shahed drones?
Iran has been producing the munitions that have been raining on them for 4 years.
I’m going to be real with you, I see no difference between the USA sending Israel munitions to fire on Gaza and Iran sending them to Russia to fire at Ukraine. Either you need to tell me with a straight face that the USA respects Palestinian sovereignty or you need to accept that Iran doesn’t respect the sovereignty of Ukraine.
melsaskca@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
I saw a television show in the 80’s where a kid named his cate “Mousey Tongue”. “Chairman Meow” reminded me of this.
Cherry@piefed.social 1 day ago
Whilst it’s a hard bite I understand the stance. I’m a staunch supporter of the Ukraine and unfortunately they have had to make comprises on their position. TBF I think they have balanced well. I am a supporter of Taiwan, I made an effort to buy their products over Chinese where possible, but then they decided to see parts to the Russians and critique Ukraine.
So I can see how hypocrisy can hurt.
Ukraine the brave.
BrikoX@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
I do support Ukraine too and will continue to support their fight for sovereignty, but this will do unrepairable damage. Until now they were able to call out Russia for their hypocrisy and people take them seriously, now they are the same double faced liars that they were calling out before.
Cherry@piefed.social 1 day ago
I think liars is a bit strong. Acknowledging compromise is more my stance. And honestly so many have made promises and then let them down.
Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 1 day ago
Honestly a better place to point out the hypocrisy would be Ukraine complaining about being invaded after helping invade Iraq; they’d need to endure being pounded for twenty years before they could complain about being invaded.
yakko@feddit.uk 1 day ago
I mean yeah, we’re none of us pro-invasion here. Glad I’m not Zelensky right now, I’ll be damned if I would know how to walk the knife edge between public support, effective war strategy, domestic policy, and how to stay on Trump’s good side all at once. Nobody’s going to come out of this situation looking heroic, I think.