Comment on Without a hint of irony, Russia mocks US for 'miscalculating' Iran war
BrikoX@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
It’s funny that Ukraine is exposing their own hypocrisy here too. They are defending their own sovereignty against Russia’s aggression yet they support US and Israel aggression over Iran defending their own sovereignty.
Iran provides thousands of drones to Russia. The US provides weapons to Ukraine… But Ukraine is supposed to support Iran against the US, bolstering their opponent and pissing off an ally? Because I guess it’s better for every man woman and child in Ukraine to be dead and ethically pure than to survive using anything below ideal ethical behaviour??
Make it make sense please!
Yeah, because on one side of the war is their begrudging allies and on the other is an ally to their invader
Ukraine gets a pass because they’re currently being invaded. It’s not an ideologicall position to defend yourself, they aren’t hypocrits for playing wherever hand they’ve got
War is a horrid thing, it makes monsters of us all. The only valid reason is for self defense, and we (theoretically) blame the aggressor for what the victim does in the course of defending themselves
Iran is where Russia has been getting it’s drones from, so I don’t think Ukraine should feel any type of way about Iran being in conflict, it benefits them on the lower level of drone supply going to Russia.
And Ukraine has been getting weapons from half the world, should that half of the world now be open targets for it?
Sovereignty can’t be conditional. You either support or it you don’t.
Sure, but they aren’t.
geopolitics are far more complicated and simple than “supporting aggression”. it is more like “supporting opening the strait of hormuz” and “supporting preexisting political alliances” and “how the fuck did we end up on the same side of this stupid war as the stupid orange one”
Do they support it or just not criticize them for it due to being so reliant on US weaponry?
They are actively supporting the attacks by US and Israel. They praised the attacks, met with the exiled monarch and no word about Iran sovereignty.
They also offered to send drones and drone specialists to the region to shoot down Iranian drones. Which is no different than Iran supplying Russia with drones. If you have issue with that, why are you doing the same?
Also they are not reliant on US anymore, Europe is almost entirely supplying Ukraine now from weapons to intelligence.
Which is no different than Iran supplying Russia with drones.
Well that’s just disingenuous and you know it. There’s a big difference between offensive and defensive drones. Iran is helping Russia kill Ukrainians. Ukraine is helping Gulf nations (who didn’t start this war) defend themselves from attacks from Iran. No Iranians are dying from Ukrainian drones.
There’s a big difference between offensive and defensive drones.
What a joke. There isn’t such a thing as defensive weapon. Weapons are effensive by their fucking nature.
Ukraine is helping Gulf nations (who didn’t start this war) defend themselves from attacks from Iran.
The same Gulf countries that allow US bases from which attacks are conducted? Do you even believe the shit you say?
There’s a big difference between offensive and defensive drones.
They are actively supporting the attacks by US and Israel.
The funny thing is that nobody even asked Ukraine for help, Zelenskyy just volunteered it. Very odd timing, as one would expect Ukraine to need all the resources it has, and more, at this moment.
Found AOCs account lol.
My bulletproof Armor and riot Shield is for defensive purposes only, don’t worry.
Don’t feed the troll, or the tankie lol!
The military bases are used to provide intel to israel and the usa to murder civilians in Iran including anti regime iranians. Nothing defensive about them. Ukranians did participate in the Iraq occupation nobody can use it to jusify the urrian occupation. Iran providing drones to Russia do not justify the war of agresdion israel and the usa started it
Yup yup yup. Ukraine has been an American colony since they got couped in the early 2010s and Europe is another group of American vassals so saying they’re dependent on them doesn’t really change much altogether, it’s not like they’re team BRICS. So it doesn’t really matter. Some people are silly enough to see the Russian war on Ukraine in a vacuum, not understanding the efforts America has gone through for decades to isolate, destabilise and control Russia, the coup and following the establishment of Ukraine as another American base (basically just Taiwan of Eastern Europe) would’ve continued as planned if Russia hadn’t attacked them. It still continued but with obvious difficulties, hence the kind of stalemate between Western powers and Russia.
Russia is as much a hypocrite here. They are the aggressor using excuses to breach Ukraine’s sovereignty in the same naked way as US or Israel does all the fucking time.
Rich of you to talk about destabiliation as Russia openly interferes in Georgia and Moldova.
Ukraine is no longer reliant on the usa . In fact, europe is the biggest backer of Ukraine right to defend itself and the usa eased up the sanctions on russia because of that war Ukraine support and also moved defendive assets from ukraine to help Israel
They are reliant on US Intel
It’s funny how we all delegate the use of heavy weapons to people who are barely able to communicate
yakko@feddit.uk 1 day ago
The waters are a little muddier than that, since Iranian weapons have been hitting Ukraine for ages. There’s not much hypocrisy to be had there, it’s just sad.
Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 1 day ago
Honestly a better place to point out the hypocrisy would be Ukraine complaining about being invaded after helping invade Iraq; they’d need to endure being pounded for twenty years before they could complain about being invaded.
yakko@feddit.uk 1 day ago
I mean yeah, we’re none of us pro-invasion here. Glad I’m not Zelensky right now, I’ll be damned if I would know how to walk the knife edge between public support, effective war strategy, domestic policy, and how to stay on Trump’s good side all at once. Nobody’s going to come out of this situation looking heroic, I think.
BrikoX@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
Nothing is muddy about sovereignty. You either respect it or not. Everything else is just excuses to justify violating it.
ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 1 day ago
Iran doesn’t respect Ukraine’s sovereignty, so Ukraine doesn’t respect Iran’s. Simple as.
mrdown@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Ukraine joined the sanctions on iran in 2007 for the civilian nuclear program and balistic program. That is a breach of Iran sovereignity amd before it with the same regime in place the relation between the two country was decent
BrikoX@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
How so? Did Iran ever breached Ukraine sovereignty?
melsaskca@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
I saw a television show in the 80’s where a kid named his cate “Mousey Tongue”. “Chairman Meow” reminded me of this.
Cherry@piefed.social 1 day ago
Whilst it’s a hard bite I understand the stance. I’m a staunch supporter of the Ukraine and unfortunately they have had to make comprises on their position. TBF I think they have balanced well. I am a supporter of Taiwan, I made an effort to buy their products over Chinese where possible, but then they decided to see parts to the Russians and critique Ukraine.
So I can see how hypocrisy can hurt.
Ukraine the brave.
BrikoX@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
I do support Ukraine too and will continue to support their fight for sovereignty, but this will do unrepairable damage. Until now they were able to call out Russia for their hypocrisy and people take them seriously, now they are the same double faced liars that they were calling out before.