What if I just want violence in general there is no end goal?
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realitista@lemmus.org 19 hours ago
The problem is that violent revolutions rarely produce anything other than more and worse chaos, and are usually settled by the biggest despot in the room who is often worse than the guy being deposed. The vast majority of actual social progress made in history was due to peaceful, not violent revolution.
wabafee@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
bearboiblake@pawb.social 18 hours ago
I agree, but every non-violent movement needs an underlying threat of the willingness to escalate and ultimately become violent to succeed. We need people who are willing to use violence.
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 8 hours ago
Bullshit. Once all the dark tetrad are helping grow sunflowers, there is no one left to take over (that won’t end up the same).
You just need a willingness to commit constant, never-ending violence that would make the Nazi camp guards faint.
Keep giving the bad guys CPTSD, the one reason a despot took over after, was that people stopped fighting, believing they had won.
They believed that things will be good because they “earned” it.
No, safeguarding humanity requires eternal vigilance, and the tree of liberty to be constantly watered with the blood of psychopaths.
bearboiblake@pawb.social 4 hours ago
I disagree with this. Violence always leads to more violence, so it should always be our last option on the table. Remember that those who commit violence will also suffer from PTSD.
We need to be willing to escalate, but also to de-escalate. We need a peaceful revolution which is willing to defend itself. An implicitly violent revolution does not remove the ruling class, it simply replaces the existing ruling class with a different ruling class (e.g. the American Revolution, the USSR). We need to completely abolish the ruling class and prevent them from ever returbing.
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 3 hours ago
I love it when someone actually challenges my opinions.
zikzak025@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
Exactly. There needs to be a stick to accompany the carrot. But if the carrot is refused, then the stick does its job.
realitista@lemmus.org 17 hours ago
I disagree . The moment violence happens, the whole movement loses its credibility and high ground and opens the road to despotic overthrow of the movement. This is why it’s so important to guard against the tactic of your enemy installing agitators to discredit your movement and open the door to violent suppression of it.
bearboiblake@pawb.social 17 hours ago
Disavow the violence all you want, but you need the threat of it to succeed, that’s just the reality. The Civil Rights movement never would have succeeded without the Black Panthers. The LGBTQ+ movement needed the Stonewall Riots.
Scubus@sh.itjust.works 14 hours ago
Well, I’m sure they’ll bury you on your moral high ground while they install countless systems to disenfranchise you and everyone you know. But I’m sure if you just ask them kindly not to do that, it’ll all work itself out.
realitista@lemmus.org 9 hours ago
And they’ll bury you in the despotic regime your violence creates.