Comment on An 18-year-old woman in Queensland faces two years in jail for wearing a shirt that says "from the river to the sea."

prex@aussie.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• ada@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  It’s also a John Farnham song

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  • rosco385@lemmy.wtf ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    One step ahead of you… Image

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    • porcelainpitcher@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Oh fuck! I didn’t see this before I commented the lyrics 🤣🤣 that’s so classic.

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  • Zagorath@aussie.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Close. There are two potentially relevant Farnam songs that may have been conflated in this discourse. One is That’s Freedom, which includes the lines “From the mountain to the valley / From the ocean to the alley / From the highway to the river”. And the other is Two Strong Hearts, which repeatedly uses the line “Reaching out forever like a river to the sea”. Neither quite uses “from the river to the sea”, but together they give the same sort of impression.

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    • Echinoderm@aussie.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I didn’t expect John Farnham scholarship as part of this topic, but I’m into it.

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    • cdzero@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You’re the voice we needed on this.

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      • Zagorath@aussie.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Thanks, I appreciate that. But I’m just some random white dude on the Internet. The voices we really need are more prominent figures (including politicians) who can greatly influence their followers, brave anti-zionist Jewish people who can provide a clear counterexample to Israel’s false conflation, and the voices of the people directly affected by Israel’s genocidal activities.

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    • prex@aussie.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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• mech@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Yes, if you change the words and the context, the meaning changes.
  “From the river to the sea” is the rallying cry of various groups who want to destroy Israel and remove the people who were born and live there, even though the slogan doesn’t literally say it.
  So maybe use a different slogan if you want something different?

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  • qevlarr@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It’s not surprising that antisemites would also protest Israel, but that doesn’t mean we should stop protesting Israel. There’s nothing more to it. We should not fall for our opponent’s tricks trying to paint us as antisemites

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    • mech@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I’m not saying stop protesting Israel. I’m saying don’t use the slogan that’s used by Antisemites, if you don’t want to be confused with them.
      What’s wrong with shouting “Free Palestine, End The Occupation” instead?

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      • qevlarr@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Because our opponents will always be nibbling at what we can’t and cannot say and we should resist and reject their bad-faith criticism. Our opponents are trying to paint us as antisemites. Your honest attempt at distancing ourselves from antisemitic groups has exactly the opposite effect: It legitimizes their criticism where it was never in good faith to begin with

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    • FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Isn’t the left saying that if you let one Nazi into a bar you now have a Nazi bar? Same applies here. There are many anti-Semites in these protests chanting this saying, therefore everyone there is an anti-Semite.

      This isn’t me making the rules, it’s just applying the rules the left set and try to force on everyone.

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• FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  It’s almost like context matters. Crazy, right?

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