I mostly agree, but then I think about how I have a Samsung phone but can still use Google Wallet instead of Samsung Pay because it’s an open ecosystem. They both push their own products, but the end user is ultimately able to use whatever product they want. This is clearly not the case for Apple, which is what I’m guessing the case is about.
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atomWood@lemm.ee 8 months ago
I’m not really sure that’s a fair argument. Android generally pushes Google Play, and Samsung devices push Samsung pay. Sure, Android has more choices, but it’s still device manufacturers pushing their own products.
Of course Apple should allow competition within their ecosystem, but Samsung and Google are basically doing the exact same thing.
Nawor3565@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
fishos@lemmy.world 8 months ago
It has to be this. As a non apple device user, I can use ANY pay system EXCEPT Apple pay. You must own an apple device to use it. There might be some roundabout way on PC with iTunes, but even if there is, it’s unaccessible on a phone.
atomWood@lemm.ee 8 months ago
I definitely agree, all I meant is I think they should probably also be going after other companies as well.
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Android may push Google pay, but you can still use other options. Samsung pay, some banks have their own contactless payment apps. You have a choice, even if you are nudged in one direction.
On iOS there is no choice. You use apple pay or you use nothing.
hoshikarakitaridia@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Also if we’re following your argument, the logical conclusion would be fuck all of them. So there’s no point in complaining when that’s 1/3.
atomWood@lemm.ee 8 months ago
My argument is that we should be going after more than just Apple. Apple is clearly the most at fault here, but that shouldn’t excuse companies like Google and Samsung.
Desistance@lemmy.world 8 months ago
The head of the FTC gets a lot of flak from the elite enforcing antitrust laws. But they do get them eventually. They JUST started the Amazon antitrust filing and Google got hit with a suit over their Ads business.
JasSmith@kbin.social 8 months ago
“Pushing” their services is one thing. Blocking access to the NFC, as Apple does with iPhones, is much worse. IMHO, neither should be permitted.
RoyalEngineering@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Why not block? Apple makes the hardware and the os. They should have control over the things they make.
painfulasterisk@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Imagine picking a gas station based on your car model…
RoyalEngineering@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I’m going to introduce you to Tesla.
JasSmith@kbin.social 8 months ago
More than a century ago we decided that that kind of monopolistic behaviour is bad for the economy and society in general, so we made laws to ban it. You're welcome to lobby your politicians to dismantle anti-trust laws. You just won't get much support. Monopolies are quite terrible.
Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world 8 months ago
And you might have an argument if there weren’t a couple dozen different phone manufacturers.
Nobody is forced to buy an iPhone and participate in the Apple ecosystem. They’re far from the only option.
c10l@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I’m sorry, no. I say this as someone who has been full on in the Apple ecosystem for decades. Other than my Linux gaming computer and my Garmin watch, pretty much all my personal devices are made by Apple.
I paid money for that RFID device in my iPhone. I should own it, not Apple. In the same vein, I paid money to have iOS running on the hardware I’m supposed to own. I should be able to decide what I want to run on it.
Unfortunately, at the moment I personally find all the alternatives much worse, so I begrudgingly accept those limitations. That doesn’t mean I like them, it doesn’t make them right, and it certainly doesn’t excuse Apple’s anti-consumer behaviour on those particular matters.
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Look up anti competitive behavior and previous antitrust lawsuits to see how bad that becomes.
emax_gomax@lemmy.world 8 months ago
And I own the phone and I should be able to do what I want with it. Why does the company providing a product get more rights to that product than the individually physically owning it. Bs like that, like not supporting proper sideloading, is why I moved away from apple.
AA5B@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Then you made the right choice for you.
Apple decided to implement in their OS one wallet for payments, one consistent set of user experience with security and privacy, open to pretty much any payment card. If you want something else, use something else.
andthenthreemore@startrek.website 8 months ago
That argument only works if they let you use the phone for free. Otherwise by taking your money for it they’re giving you the right to do what you want with it.