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• LeninWeave@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  You are trying to reduce my argument to one dimension that “sounds” reasonable, while ignoring things like it literally being in the charter of Hamas to destroy all Jewish people in Israel.

  How surprising, you’re doing Hasbara. The charter was irrelevant soon after it was written, Hamas changed many time very quickly throughout its history, and the charter you’re referring to was in fact literally replaced with a new one in 2017. You are a zionist.

  And you’re going to say it is the prerogative of Palestinians to fight back, and again I would completely agree with you.

  No, you wouldn’t and you didn’t. The trick of “fighting back is their right but they’re doing it wrong” isn’t fooling anyone.

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• agentant@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  You mean the outdated charter that has since been replaced to clarify opposition to the settler colonial state, rather than Jews as a whole?

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  • Alaknar@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Oh, yeah, that’s so much better. “We will keep fighting until we eliminate a country” is such a peaceful and lovable sentiment!

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    • agentant@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You mean the colony established over the legitimate Palestinian State? This is like saying it’s bad to fight for the abolition of the Reichskommissariats.

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      • LeninWeave@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        This is like saying it’s bad to fight for the abolition of the Reichskommissariats.

        They’re a genocide defender from the Finnish instance, they might actually think that.

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      • Alaknar@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        You mean the colony established over the legitimate Palestinian State?

        1. Palestinian State didn’t exist before the very same resolution that created Israel. It was the Palestinian Region of the Ottoman Empire. It’s like calling people living in the Alps “Alpians” and stating that “the French and the Swiss colonised the legitimate Alpian State”.
        2. Israelites, just like Palestinians, have a historical claim to that territory. If you firmly believe that they should not have any part of it - where would you place them?

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  • Azzu@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    That is good and I did not know that.

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• DiscoAssBlazer@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  it literally being in the charter of Hamas to destroy all Jewish people in Israel

  You mean the 1988 one written 50 years ago that immediately became irrelevant just a few years after it was written? That is not a good argument, please.

  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Hamas_charter

  While the 1988 Hamas Charter had been widely criticized for its antisemitism, the 2017 document removed the antisemitic language and stated that Hamas’ fight was not with Jews as such because of their religion but with the "Zionist project."When asked, Hamas leaders explained that “The original charter has now become a historical document and part of an earlier stage in our evolution. It will remain in the movement’s bookshelf as a record of our past.”

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• IndustryStandard@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  And there it is the Zionist blood libel against Palestinians and repeat of German genocide propaganda.

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• BrainInABox@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Oh look, now you’re straight up lying to apologize for genocide.

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