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If you really see support of genocide and zionism in what I said, I really don’t know what I could say to convince you. It seems you’re not truly listening to me and trying to understand.

Oh no, people are not trying to understand your subtle and nuanced argument of “Palestinian genocide and the Holocaust are different because the Jews never fought back”.

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Azzu@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
You are trying to reduce my argument to one dimension that “sounds” reasonable, while ignoring things like it literally being in the charter of Hamas to destroy all Jewish people in Israel. And you’re going to say it is the prerogative of Palestinians to fight back, and again I would completely agree with you. It just doesn’t make much sense to argue with you, so I’m going to stop.

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- LeninWeave@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  
  You are trying to reduce my argument to one dimension that “sounds” reasonable, while ignoring things like it literally being in the charter of Hamas to destroy all Jewish people in Israel.
  
  How surprising, you’re doing Hasbara. The charter was irrelevant soon after it was written, Hamas changed many time very quickly throughout its history, and the charter you’re referring to was in fact literally replaced with a new one in 2017. You are a zionist.
  
  And you’re going to say it is the prerogative of Palestinians to fight back, and again I would completely agree with you.
  
  No, you wouldn’t and you didn’t. The trick of “fighting back is their right but they’re doing it wrong” isn’t fooling anyone.
  
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- agentant@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  You mean the outdated charter that has since been replaced to clarify opposition to the settler colonial state, rather than Jews as a whole?
  
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  - Alaknar@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Oh, yeah, that’s so much better. “We will keep fighting until we eliminate a country” is such a peaceful and lovable sentiment!
    
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    agentant@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    You mean the colony established over the legitimate Palestinian State? This is like saying it’s bad to fight for the abolition of the Reichskommissariats.
    
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  - Azzu@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    That is good and I did not know that.
    
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- DiscoAssBlazer@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  
  it literally being in the charter of Hamas to destroy all Jewish people in Israel
  
  You mean the 1988 one written 50 years ago that immediately became irrelevant just a few years after it was written? That is not a good argument, please.
  
  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Hamas_charter
  
  While the 1988 Hamas Charter had been widely criticized for its antisemitism, the 2017 document removed the antisemitic language and stated that Hamas’ fight was not with Jews as such because of their religion but with the "Zionist project."When asked, Hamas leaders explained that “The original charter has now become a historical document and part of an earlier stage in our evolution. It will remain in the movement’s bookshelf as a record of our past.”
  
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- IndustryStandard@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  And there it is the Zionist blood libel against Palestinians and repeat of German genocide propaganda.
  
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- BrainInABox@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Oh look, now you’re straight up lying to apologize for genocide.
  
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