Comment on Dbzero has Defederated from Feddit.org following its Governance post about the later's Zionist Bar Problem

• neatchee@piefed.social ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  they didn’t say it was hypocritical, just empty criticism. They are implying that ml instances are no less egregious about the types of bad content they allow, even if the content itself is different

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  • LeninWeave@lemmy.ml ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    They are implying that ml instances are no less egregious about the types of bad content they allow, even if the content itself is different

    They are wrong.

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    • hobovision@mander.xyz ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      You might be a little biased.

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      • LeninWeave@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Unlike yourself and that other user, who are simply neutral observers? lmao

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  • OpenStars@piefed.social ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    “B-b-but my side virtuous (in all ways, and can do no wrong), while their side ignoramus (everything they do is because they are poopy-heads)!”

    I wish I could add /s here but a good half the population on earth seems to hold to this as an invariant position, solidarity in the face of all obstacles, i.e. the Nazi bar effect.

    Case in point: who doesn’t love it when a religious institution offers food and shelter and medical care to the needy, or counsels people to forgive, laying down their burdens and seek therapy to thereby travel lighter through the world? It is the diddling kids part that for some strange reason (/s on this one) people tend to get upset?

    Since we were talking about Zionism here, I will mention that Deuteronomy 13:5 (in the Torah, part of the Old Testament for Christian and Muslim and offshoot religious branches such as Mormonism) provides an EXTREMELY stern warning about those who would misuse their authority to lead people astray.

    TLDR: intolerance paradox - if you tolerate the intolerant, it corrupts the entire system, giving it a bad reputation when people see the worst excesses and extrapolate that to infer the properties of the whole. e.g. Reddit is fascist, hence we did not stay and put up with it but rather moved here.

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• pilferjinx@piefed.social ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  They’re pretty anti zionist. Only because Israel represents the west in all its brutality. They fully support the Russian invasion and genocide of Ukraine though, hence the hypocrisy.

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  • comfy@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    They fully support the Russian invasion

    wut? Even lemmygrad.ml doesn’t - their support of the Russian Federation’s invasion has always been critical, not full. Just like their support for Hamas is critical - it’s extremely obvious that neither the capitalist-run RF nor the Islamist Hamas are groups they agree with at all.

    (I am not a campist, I’m simply explaining the campist concept of “critical support”)

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    • Loco_Mex@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      So critical that we never ever hear them criticize Russia for it.

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  • LeninWeave@lemmy.ml ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    They fully support the Russian invasion and genocide of Ukraine though, hence the hypocrisy.

    Did you know that inventing “genocides” based on perceived vibes and presenting them as equivalent to extremely real, well-documented, and universally agreed upon actual genocides is a form of genocide denial? Liberal such as yourself have been doing the work of fascists like this for a long time, this type of Holocaust denial is called “double genocide theory”.

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    • Loco_Mex@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      What Russia is doing:

      Tens of thousands of children are being abducted, stripped of their identity, and taught to hate their homeland
      thewalrus.ca/ukrainian-children/

      Definition of Genocide:

      Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
      www.un.org/en/genocide-prevention/definition

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    • hobovision@mander.xyz ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Is your name Lenin Weave after the way you dodge criticism?

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      • LeninWeave@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        accuses me of dodging criticism for making a very specific argument about how treating real and fake genocide as equivalent is a form of genocide denial

        Somehow, you don’t see the irony.

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    • pilferjinx@piefed.social ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_genocide_of_Ukrainians_in_the_Russo-Ukrainian_war

      Unless you think all the shit Russia is just propaganda.

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      • LeninWeave@lemmy.ml ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Allegations of genocide

        International recognition

        Map showing very few countries recognize this as a genocide.

        As I said, by treating this as equivalent to the near universally recognized genocide in Gaza, you are engaging in a form of genocide denial. Funny, the map of (the very few) countries that recognize this has a large overlap with the map of countries that do the same form of denial with the Holocaust.

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      • BrainInABox@lemmy.ml ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Do you know what the word “allegation” means?

        Do you also insist there’s a genocide in South Africa?

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      • hellomoto@lemmings.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Everything is a cia color revolution to them.

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  • FranklyIGiveADarn@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    There is no genocide in Ukraine. Ukranians are Russians.

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• irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I think they’re talking about stuff like the holodomor or the uyghurs in china.

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