Comment on Tesla Robotaxis Reportedly Crashing at a Rate That's 4x Higher Than Humans

• ageedizzle@piefed.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  He’s right in that if current AI models were genuinely intelligent in the way humans are then cameras would be enough to achieve at least human level droving skills. The problem of course is that AI models are not nearly at that level yet 

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  • T156@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Even if they were, would it not be better to give the car better senses?

    Humans don’t have LIDAR because we can’t just hook something into a human’s brain and have it work. If you can do that with a self-driving car, why cut it down to human senses?

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    • 48954246@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Exactly, with this logic why have motors or wheels?

      You don’t have wheels so you shouldn’t use cars

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      • itsathursday@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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    • ageedizzle@piefed.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I agree it would be better. I’m just saying that in theory cameras are all that would be required to achieve human level performance, so long as the AI was capable enough

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      • embed_me@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        “So long as the AI has the same intelligence as a human brain” is a pretty big assumption. That assumption is in sci-fi territory.

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      • Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Except humans have self cleaning lenses. Cars don’t.

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      • AtrusOfDni@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Except if I get something to replace me, it better do better than me, not just just as good. So I would expect better sensors.

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  • Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Cameras are inferior to human vision in many ways. Especially the ones used on Teslas.

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    • alsimoneau@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Lower dynamic range for one.

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  • CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Also the Human brain is still on par with some of the worlds best supercomputers, I doubt a Tesla has that much onboard processing power.

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    • ageedizzle@piefed.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Good point. Though I’ve heard some of these self driving cars connect remotely to a person to help drive when the AI doesnt know what to do, so I guess it’s conceivable that the car could connect to the cloud. That would be super error prone though. Connectivity issues cloud brick your car.

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  • kameecoding@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I am a Human and there were occasions where I couldn’t tell if it’s an obstacle on the road or a weird shadow…

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    • merc@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      And, we humans have built-in binocular vision that we’ve been training for at least 1.5 decades by the time we’re allowed to drive.

      Also, think about what you do in that situation where there’s a weird shadow. Slow down, sure. But, also move our heads up and down, side to side, trying to use that powerful binocular vision to get different angles on that strange shadow. How many front-facing cameras does Tesla have. Maybe 3, and one of those is mounted on the bumper? In theory, 3 cameras could give it 3 different “viewpoints” for binocular vision. But, that’s not as good as a human driver who can shift their eyes around to multiple points to examine a situation. And, if one of those 3 cameras is obscured (say the one on the bumper) you’re down to basic binocular vision without even the ability to take a look from a different angle.

      Plus, we have evidence that Tesla isn’t even able to use its cameras to achieve binocular vision. If it worked, it shouldn’t have fallen for the Wile E. Coyote trick.

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    • ageedizzle@piefed.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yes. In theory cameras should be enough to get you up to human level driving competence but even that is a low bar.

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      • NikkiDimes@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I feel like camera only could theoretically pass human performance, but that hinges entirely on AI models that do not currently exist, and that those models, when they do exist, being capable of running inside of a damn car.

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• 73ms@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  well I mean it’s the one thing that Tesla’s got going for it compared to Waymo which is way ahead of them.

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