Comment on Gentoo Linux Begins Codeberg Migration In Moving Away From GitHub, Avoiding Copilot

• Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  All code uploaded to GitHub is subject to being scraped

  No kidding: That was literally my very first thought back in the days when I heard that M$ has taken over GitHub.

  source

  • A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Mine too. More precisely: code uploaded to GH won’t be yours anymore. IIRC there were changes to the TOS that supported this. But even if not, predicting the obvious doesn’t make us prophets.

    source
• TheOctonaut@mander.xyz ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  No, it isn’t.

  “Basically” your vibes aren’t an actual answer. Businesses are not forking over millions to give away their code.

  You can have conspiracy theories about it using the code anyway (I’m particularly confused about your use of the word “scrape” which tells me you don’t know how AI training works, how hosting a website works, or how scraping works - maybe all three?) but surreptitiously using its competitors’ code to train CoPilot would be a rare existential threat to Microsoft itself.

  Does GitHub use Copilot Business or Enterprise data to train GitHub’s model?

  No. GitHub does not use either Copilot Business or Enterprise data to train its models.

  github.com/features/copilot#faq

  source

  • kilgore_trout@feddit.it ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    FAQs are not legally binding. If you want to quote something, then do privacy policy and terms of service.

    source

    • TheOctonaut@mander.xyz ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      It’s in every enterprise and business contract signed with them. The FAQ was just the first result on Google. Its obviousness shouldn’t even require that much. It’s extremely clear how few of Lemmy’s “technology” crowd have any contact with adult life.

      source

      • brennesel@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Why are you referring all your answers to GitHub Enterprise and corporate contracts? Nobody here is talking about that, as the news is about an open source project. Public GitHub and GitHub Enterprise are fundamentally different.

        You accuse others of responding based solely on “vibes,” but you do exactly the same thing in the opposite direction. And yet, of all people, you’re saying we don’t act like adults.

        source

        • -> View More Comments
      • bearboiblake@pawb.social ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        source: just trust me bro

        source

        • -> View More Comments
  • renegadespork@lemmy.jelliefrontier.net ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Lmao desperately trying to justify sunk cost, I see?

    You’re right, it’s not scraping, it’s worse. Most AI bots do scrape sites for data, though since MS has direct access to the GH backend, they don’t even need to scrape the data. You’re giving it to them directly.

    The issue here is trust. Microsoft, along with every other company invested in the AI race has proven repeatedly that getting ahead in said race is more important to them than anything else. It’s more important than user privacy, ToS, contracts, intellectual property, and the law itself.

    If they stand to make more money screwing you over than they stand to lose from a slap on the wrist in court, the choice is clear. And they will lie to your face about it. Profit machines as big as MS don’t care. They can’t. They are optimized for one thing.

    source

    • ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Don’t forget its more important than human rights!

      source
  • zr0@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Oh my. The “you are all noobs, I am the only techie here, so I know it” argument is so unnecessary and makes you appear super entitled.

    You obviously seem not to have an idea how all that shit works, where OpenAI and Microsoft scrape copyrighted material, which is illegal, to train their models. On top of that, in the US there are many laws where they can circumvent ToS if it helps national security, and we all know with Trump, that he will do everything to support his economy. So we end up with a situation, where the contracts say they will not use the data to train models, while doing this exact thing, and nobody ever will be able to prove it and the whole legal system in the US will protect the corporation. So good luck with that “lawsuit”.

    But that is only when Microsoft would play by rules, which they don’t. Which no one does. So they just use the data to train the models, generating billions of value, and just wait for a lawsuit where they pay a fine of 100k.

    This all comes to the conclusion that you are not just naive and inexperienced, but also an entitled asshole.

    source
  • bearboiblake@pawb.social ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Just to add to what the other commenters said, the quote you highlighted doesn’t even say what you think it does.

    It says that Copilot data is not used to train the models, not that code uploaded to Github isn’t used to train the models.

    As an aside, your nitpicking of the term “scrape” is cringe, jsyk.

    source
  • ayyy@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Someday when you’re grown up you will realize how cringe your way of communicating is.

    source

    • TheOctonaut@mander.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Sure. Any day now.

      Being embarrassed by association with people who say things like “all code uploaded to Github is subject to being scraped” might be childish. Not sure it’s as childish as being embarrassed by “cringe” though. That would imply I care about your opinion on my communication. I don’t.

      I do care that you understand that a half dozen people in this thread are actively outing themselves as completely ignorant about the real world of software development and the software industry in general. Probably not surprising given the words “Gentoo” and “Codeberg” in the title of the post.

      source

      • ayyy@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Um AAACCCKKKTUALLY it’s only scraping if it comes from the beautifulsoup region of Shodan. Otherwise it’s just Sparkling CIDR.

        source

        • -> View More Comments
  • RichardDegenne@lemmy.zip ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    If you’re gullible enough to believe an FAQ coming from Github themselves, then I have bad news for you.

    source

    • TheOctonaut@mander.xyz ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      “Gullible” is not a thing you can be when somehow has signed a contract with you… that’s why contracts exist.

      source

      • ATS1312@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        You gullible person, they write the contracts to protect themselves at your expense. For example:

        Check your Disney+ contract before going on a Disney cruise. If you use both services, you waive your right to go to court in case of injury or death on the cruise. Potentially for Life.

        www.msn.com/en-us/entertainment/…/ar-AA1zicFJ

        source
      • bearboiblake@pawb.social ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        go ahead and cite the relevant part of the github business “contract” lmao

        source
  • ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace@piefed.ca ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Like Meta and it’s privacy rules, I bet they do even if they’re saying they don’t.

    source

    • TheOctonaut@mander.xyz ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      You aren’t paying enterprise subscriptions to use Facebook, and as bad as they are, Microsoft are not Meta.

      source

      • ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace@piefed.ca ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Maybe. But what have American tech companies done lately to win my trust in them? Nothing.  So allow me to be skeptical. 

        source