It probably also says something of the ones that stay: they can keep getting further exploited. And these are the ones they want.
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absquatulate@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Discord probably did the math and are willing to take a hit to the user counts (much like reddit did when they closed the apis), as the vast majority will stay and keep “threatening” to leave. There’s at least the hope that the ones who quit now will establish communities elsewhere, on a (hopefully) better server platform.
vikinghoarder@infosec.pub 1 day ago
ech@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
Same tactic used by scammers sending “bad” messages - it’s at least partially in purpose to single out the good marks.
UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 1 day ago
Yep. It’s why trumpers are such a lucrative scam target. It’s a self selected group of easily deceived victims.
Hathaway@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
I agree, but, I see some parallels, a Reddit competitor that solved some of those issues, was hardly functional when they killed APIs. There was no competition. Look at us now baby! Still not competition, but, at least there’s an alternative.
I hope I can say the same about discord in a bit. There’s really nowhere for anyone to go, without losing a lot of features. Well, hopefully, talented people are going to migrate to these platforms to bring an alternative to discord.
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Discord probably did the math and are willing to take a hit to the user counts
I very much doubt whoever thought about doing the math did so, and if they did, that said math made it out of their department. This kind of decision is much more likely to have been a C-suite darling that no one dared speak against or the equivalent thereof.
I’m saying thoughtful organizational decisions are less common than we’d like.
errer@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Are there any viable alternatives? Last I looked they all kinda sucked
Postmortal_Pop@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I wanna start by saying I’m not a power user, I only use discord as a glorified chat manager for my immediate friends. That said, Stoat is everything I like about discord with a nicer ui and a public server seach function. I made an account when discord started ads and I honestly feel like it’s a little further than Lemmy was when I came here from reddit.
Right now sign up is slow because of the huge influx of users. That said, the team is handling it well and being very transparent about it which is refreshing.
Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 1 day ago
I love Stoat’s UI but video streaming is an absolute must for My use case and last I checked they said it wasn’t a priority
Postmortal_Pop@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Ahh that’s fair.
boatswain@infosec.pub 1 day ago
I’ve been hearing good things about spacebar.chat. Stoat (formerly Revolt) is out there as well. Matrix is another possibility, but it’s more for individual channels rather than whole servers, so doesn’t fit some use cases.
CatLikeLemming@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 hours ago
The problem is, even if I am willing to deal with some inconveniences, many others aren’t. How am I going to move a server with >100 active users and multiple thousand inactive ones? And what about the six others I have that fit that description? There’s quite a few servers I could go without, but around a dozen that I’d much prefer not to lose.
I’ve already been trying, but people don’t like Revolt, Nerimity, Matrix, hell I tried Mattermost. Some people are fine with some of these platforms, but there is never any remote consensus.
At least some have cancelled their nitro subscription, making them a net loss for Discord in the future.
Discord has, despite everything, been my primary chat/social app and to switch to something else one has to uproot absolutely everything. That’s sadly not feasible.
boatswain@infosec.pub 15 hours ago
It’s absolutely feasible; it’s just not painless. The network effect is real. This is something most of us here on the fediverse should be well familiar with: I’d wager we’ve all left a big proprietary centralized platform for a smaller one with less content that doesn’t exactly fit our needs. Yes, it can suck; yes, you’ll miss out on content and discussions that you would have seen before; yes, you’ll be fine in a year anyway.
That said, it sounds like Discord is doing some backpedaling at the moment, and that the vast majority of people won’t have to do this. If that’s so, there’s some time before it enshittifies further. I’m going to use that to check out alternatives. My first step will be spinning up Matrix and a Discord bridge to see if that meets my needs. Then some of the other platforms, probably Stoat and Spacebar. I’m going to treat them as beta tests and give lots of feedback to the dev teams, which I hope will help incentivize development. I might even throw a few bucks at promising projects.
The ultimate end of centralized platforms is decay. It’s time to get serious about Discord replacements, at least for me.
Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 1 day ago
Does it have video streaming yet?
boatswain@infosec.pub 1 day ago
Sounds like it’s experimental at the moment:
Voice/Video when?
Currently there is experimental voice/video WebRTC support in Spacebar. UDP connections are not currently supported.
This is a very difficult feature to get working, especially given that we must implement it the exact same way as Discord.com for client compatibility, so if you find any bugs please open an issue in Spacebar server.
We would also be incredibly thankful for any assistance.
So might not be ready for primetime. Voice is pretty critical to how I often use Discord. Video less so, but still important.
Prove_your_argument@piefed.social 1 day ago
I think they’re already too big to fail. They captured the entire market. There’s no real competitor with any kind of noticeable fraction of the market share.
The closest thing to a competitor are business products similar to slack or teams. None of those have anything close to feature parity like high quality streaming at no cost.
I would gladly host something myself, but I can’t do it all. IMO this needs a lemmy equivalent with decentralized hosting or something.
UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 1 day ago
Reddits stock performance since that decision isn’t likely anything that anyone would want to emulate.
random_character_a@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Enshittification is not single step. It’s more a “boiling a frog”-kinda process.
dukemirage@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Discord itself was a big step of enshittification from the very start when communities moved from individual platforms to Discord servers.
Th3D3k0y@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Sometimes I like to remember when Nitro was like 5 bucks and gave a bunch of stuff, and now it is 10 bucks gives less AND they still try to sell me fucking cosmetics…
I dropped my Nitro when they announced a possible buyout/IPO