I’m running e/os on my FP6 and it’s a great de googled alternative!
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circledot@feddit.org 2 days ago
If it supported GrapheneOS I would be using one too.
neo2478@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
snowdriftissue@lemmy.world 1 day ago
/e/ os is not degoogled
neo2478@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
How is it not degoogled?
snowdriftissue@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
Calls home to Google constantly ootb eylenburg.github.io/android_comparison.htm
circledot@feddit.org 1 day ago
I’m using GrapheneOS on a Pixel 7a which I bought just to flash it. Google Android just ran on it for the obligatory update before the flashing. It’s just very secure and that’s what I like about it. I’m not so sure about /e/ even though it’s being supported by semi prominent people here in DACH.
neo2478@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
For me any concerns about e/os are overshadowed by buying one of the most sustainable and “ethical” phones there are currently available, and not supporting google.
snowdriftissue@lemmy.world 1 day ago
By using /e/ os you are supporting google because /e/ os is not degoogled
ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Buying a Pixel isn’t automatically supporting Google. You can get them secondhand.
pet1t@lemmy.world 1 day ago
every post about fairphone, there’s always one comment like this
danciestlobster@lemmy.zip 2 days ago
Yeah unfortunate that it doesn’t, I imagine the market overlap for those two things is high
Dremor@lemmy.world 2 days ago
The choice of only supporting Pixels comes from GrapheneOS’s side, not Fairphone. Fairphone got some great ROMs support, and even have an official partnership with one of them (e/OS).
ruplicant@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
I love Fairphones, but GrapheneOS developers are very clear on why they son’t support phones other than Pixels. If other phones complied with those requirements, they would support them. I really hoped the OEM they’re working with to support from another brand would be Fairphone, but the most educated guess I’ve seen is Motorola
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 2 days ago
GrapheneOS developers are quite dickish about what they are willing to implement. They work under the assumption that GrapheneOS is for people afraid of being hacked (like actively targeted by state level actors) and refuse to add anything that in their view compromises security. So for example they refuse to add pattern unlock because they think it’s less secure than PIN which is silly because I can just use ‘0000’ PIN which is as insecure as any pattern. It’s the same with supporting other phones. Personally I’m not worried about police trying to hack my phone, I just want deGoogled system with tracker protection. GrapheneOS devs don’t care. It’s all or nothing with them. I would recommend iode over Graphene to anyone not as paranoid as the devs.
ruplicant@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
They can be dickish about several things, but they will implement whatever they want, it’s their project LOL! They actually develop a mobile operating system for people afraid of being hacked, and with the utmost security in mind.
The thing with pattern unlock is that it is inherently less secure than the other options, despite the fact that you can use one of the other options in bad ways (like the ‘0000’ PIN). Expecting them to change this is using the lowest common denominator possible, which is against their philosophy.
You do have other options if you want to deGoogle, like LineageOS, that supports a much wider range of devices (altough the extent of deGoogling can be limited). It’s good we have one ROM (among others) with paranoid devs - we have more options
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 1 day ago
That’s exactly what I said. GrapheneOS devs target very specific group of users and most privacy focused users will be served better by other ROMs. They can do whatever they want but they clearly don’t care about wider community and I think wider community shouldn’t care about them as much as it does.
faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 21 hours ago
Does Graphene scramble the keypad between PIN entries? If not, it’s functionally the same as a pattern unlock.
theskyisfalling@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 days ago
Yes but also no, the fairphone doesn’t meet the extensive list of requirements required to maintain the goal of GrapheneOS - List of requirements for devices
Dremor@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Some of those requirements are really hard to get for non-Google devices. EOM don’t get updates as early as Google engineers gets. It takes time to validate everything, especially since their don’t control their own hardware.
Those requirements are more a way to not appear like dicks by telling that they’ll only supports Pixels.
eleitl@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
No, the Fairphone hardware platform doesn’t meet minimal security features of the GOS project. You could say they chose not to compromise on security rather.
Dremor@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Which is alright. It’s their project after all. I find myself very happy from my Murena Fairphone (except the launcher, which I hate), so I’ll probably be a good Fairphone/Murena client for the years to come.
QuandaleDingle@lemmy.world 1 day ago
You could switch the launcher, right?
circledot@feddit.org 1 day ago
I know that. So I stand corrected that I should have written “If it were supported by GrapheneOS…”
Doesn’t change, that its a show stopper for me, though.
Dremor@lemmy.world 1 day ago
That’s fair. We all have our needs, and I find mine in Fairphone + e/OS, which is nice. And when I upgrade, I get to give my parents an almost new, still supported phone, which is nice.