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Wispy2891@lemmy.world 3 days ago
It’s not secret, it was their defence when they got sued for copyright infringement. Instead of download all the books from Anna’s archive like meta, they buy a copy, cut the binding, scan it, then destroy it. “We bought a copy for personal use then use the content for profit, it’s not piracy”
we bought a copy for personao use, then use the content for profit, it’s not privacy
So if I buy a song for personal use, then play that song all day in my club to thousands of people, it’s not piracy, is what you’re saying?
Because anthropic is full of shit and some weird ass mental gymnastics doesn’t change anything
After this debacle, nobody can ever again shame me for piracy, let alone punish me for it
C’mon now. You’re not nearly rich or influential enough to get away with that and you know it. Rules are for regular people, not the rich or mighty. Sheesh.
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Oh I know, but that why I’m getting more and more “Fuck the rules, fuck your laws, until they’re the same for everybody”
it would be something more like you buy LPs/tapes/CDs, then form a band that makes songs and albums based around those records you bought then destroyed. I think… or something like that.
The two legal tiers are making themselves known again
If they reprinted those scanned books and sold them or even gave them away, they would be in more trouble than you would by sharing on limewire by dent of numbers. That isn’t what they are doing with these books.
FauxLiving@lemmy.world 3 days ago
That is an accurate view of how the court cases have ruled.
Downloading books without paying is illegal copyright infringement.
Using the data from the books to train an AI model is ‘sufficiently transformative’ and so falls under fair use exemptions for copyright protections.
ch00f@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Yet most AI models can recite entire Harry Potter books if prompted the right way, so that’s all bullshit.
FauxLiving@lemmy.world 2 days ago
That’s quite a claim, I’d like to see that. Just give me the prompt and model that will generate an entire Harry Potter book so I can check it out.
I doubt that this is the case as one of the features of chatbots is the randomization of the next token which is done by treating the model’s output vector as a, softmaxxed, distribution. That means that every single token has a chance to deviate from the source material because it is selected randomly. In order to get a complete reproduction it would be of a similar magnitude as winning 250,000 dice rolls in a row.
In any case, the ‘highly transformative’ standard was set in Authors Guild v. Google, Inc., No. 13-4829 (2d Cir. 2015). In that case Google made digital copies of tens of millions of books and used their covers and text to make Google Books.
As you can see here: www.google.com/books/edition/…/uomkEAAAQBAJ where Google completely reproduces the cover and you can search the text of the book (so you could, in theory, return the entire book in searches). You could actually return a copy of a Harry Potter novel (and a high resolution scan, or even exact digital copy of the cover image).
The judge ruled:
In cases where people attempt to claim copyright damages against entities that are training AI, the finding is essentially ‘if they paid for a copy of the book then it is legal’. This is why Meta lost their case against authors, in that case they were sued for 1.) Pirating the books and 2.) Using them to train a model for commercial purposes. The judge struck 2.) after citing the ‘highly transformative’ nature of language models vs books.
Repelle@lemmy.world 2 days ago
arxiv.org/abs/2601.02671
ch00f@lemmy.world 2 days ago
arxiv.org/abs/2601.02671
MangoCats@feddit.it 2 days ago
Start with the first line of the book (enough that it won’t be confused with other material in the training set…) the LLM will return some of the next line. Feed it that and it will return some of what comes next, rinse, lather, repeat - researchers have gotten significant chunks of novels regurgitated this way.
Giloron@programming.dev 2 days ago
It was Meta and only 42%.
arstechnica.com/…/study-metas-llama-3-1-can-recal…
MangoCats@feddit.it 2 days ago
You may not have photographic memory, but dozens of flesh and blood humans do. Are they “illegal” to exist? They can read a book then recite it back to you.
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
Those are human beings not machines. You are comparing a flesh and blood person to a suped up autocorrect program that is fed data and regurgites it back.