Comment on Would the United States actually risk a Tiananmen Square incident?

• agent_nycto@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Seems to be they are escalating the violence with or without us.

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  • unknownuserunknownlocation@kbin.earth ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Except they can't escalate nearly as quickly if they don't have an excuse. They've been wanting to escalate way further than they have, but everytime they tried to paint protestors/... as violent mobs, reality betrayed them. So far that they're somewhat pulling back. That didn't happen because someone shot at ICE, quite the opposite.

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    • agent_nycto@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      They’re pulling back? Let’s see what happens in Springfield because last I checked, they were escalating even before Good died. I’m not convinced at all they are slowing down because people aren’t violent, not at all. I think they aren’t escalating as fast as they want because they’re worried people will turn violent and no jury would convict someone taking down an ice officer.

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• Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  You need numbers and you need those numbers to have guns. They are not stopping, they do not care about right or wrong, and there is no telling how far they’re going to go. Without the threat of armed resistance, what is stopping them from open massacres?

  Guns will not keep you safe, granted. But not having a gun obviously won’t keep you safe either. Think about what you’re saying, you’re relying on the fascists to act in good faith, out of the kindness of their hearts. That’s nonsense.

  Nonviolence is a tactic, it can be an effective tactic, but it is only a tactic. If conditions reach a point where that tactic is not applicable or effective, then it will be time to change tactics. What’s the plan if they start firing up the gas chambers?

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• ThirdConsul@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  as a civilian until they roll out the tanks, and your guns can’t do shit against tanks.

  CIA would like to present you Simple Sabotage Field Manual solving all your needs in that department.

  en.wikipedia.org/…/Simple_Sabotage_Field_Manual

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• Pat_Riot@lemmy.today ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  You’re a goddamn coward and you deserve to however they treat you. But let’s be honest, you won’t leave the “safety” of your home till they drag you out of it. You’re just going to sit on your ass and criticize those of us who do fight. Broke wristed pacifist, fuck you.

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• K1nsey6@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  That peaceful bullshit only benefits the oligarchy. There’s not a single right you have that wasn’t won via violence.

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  • BanMe@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Same sex marriage. Transgender rights. We are in a different age, wars are fought by information now. We are fighting the current war for America by information now. Not by bullets. I am all about Luigis rising up but that’s a lot different than “everyone grab semi and hope for the best.” This isn’t 1776.

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    • K1nsey6@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      You think gay rights came without violence? One of the first well documented events leading to where we are right now was called the Stonewall Riots

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      • BanMe@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        The fight for gay rights STARTED with a riot. Same sex marriage came through the courts, decades later. In a new age. I was there, I was fighting for it. There was no violence when SSM and trans rights were brought about.

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    • plyth@feddit.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      not a single right you have that wasn’t won via violence.

      Same sex marriage. Transgender rights.

      Could make you wonder how much power the elite had to shed for those.

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    • EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Transgender rights

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      You mean the rights that largely don’t exist in half of the US?

      As of July 2025, 40.1% or 120,400 trans youth aged 13-17 are living in the 27 states that have passed bans on gender-affirming care. This includes 2,300 youth living in the two states–Arkansas and Montana–where bans are currently on hold or blocked from enforcement through court orders.

      While our map focuses solely on high school-aged youth (age 13-17), some states, such as Oklahoma, Texas, and South Carolina, have considered banning care for transgender people up to 26 years of age. Additionally, several states prohibit public funds from being used to provide transgender health care for anyone, so adults are also unable to access critical health services if they receive their healthcare through Medicaid, if they work in the public sector, or are incarcerated.

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      Trans people were already reporting their identifying documents like passports, birth certificates, driver’s licenses, and social security cards were being confiscated in the period after the election and before Trump got into office.

      We haven’t “won” trans rights, we’ve only had them because the fascists hadn’t yet gotten around to destroying them. Violence in one form or another is a requirement for successful change, whether that violence be economic or otherwise. The oppressor isn’t going to give you justice simply because you demand it. It wasn’t until after MLK was murdered and billions of dollars in property damage were done that Civil Rights were drafted, voted on, and signed into law - one week of rioting after his death.

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• Einskjaldi@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Ukraine has shown that Armour is heavily vulnerable. And tanks are too heavy for the road anyway, it would be wheeled vehicles only.

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  • plyth@feddit.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    And tanks are too heavy for the road anyway

    At some point that doesn’t matter.

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• BanMe@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Government has tens of thousands of troops and RPGs and tanks and riot gear and bulletproof shields and chemical warfare and fucking nuclear weapons but Lemmy among others are convinced arming up will save us somehow. It’s proof that the gun lobby has done their job.

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