And possibly the most parts of shadow banking, i.e the alt accounts of major financial institutions.
Fun times ahead!
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givesomefucks@lemmy.world 1 day ago
You’ll know because when it dies it’s going to cause a huge market crash and take a shit ton of other companies with it…
redditmademedoit@piefed.zip 1 day ago
givesomefucks@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Not really…
The reason it will domino is AI companies can’t afford the hardware, so Nvidia “invests” in AI companies and trades hardware for shares.
They have like 100 billion just in OpenAI, which they’re leveraging into loans to make more of the chips no one can afford.
If openai goes down, the banks call in the loans Nvidia has openai for collateral. So then Nvidia will have to sell all their other shares of other AI companies to cover the loans, and likely will have to drastically cut production of AI chips, driving the cost up.
Now all those other AI companies that Nvidia just sold, can’t afford the higher price, because they couldn’t afford a subsidized price along with shares.
As those companies fold, it makes even less people who would even want to buy those AI chips at any prices, driving Nvidia further down and maybe all the way to bankrupt
That’s when it starts fucking with index funds and the wider market
But all those shadow banks won’t really get hit. They’re not holding stocks to make money, they’re buried treasure chests filled with liquid assets in case of emergency. The only way they’d be hit is if the currency they’re held in collapses. Even then, that method almost always includes safety deposit boxes with precious metals/jewels to account for that
CellarRat@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
If the price of gold is anything to go by lately (being up 83% in a year) I think the shadow banks are already moving their money into gold to avoid the collapse.
redditmademedoit@piefed.zip 1 day ago
The problem is that it isn’t clear what kinds of exposure private credit and other actors in the shadow banking space hold, because they generally operate on a model of financial obfuscation to get around banking regulation (i.e. being actual banks). What is known is that they are deeply intertwined with financing the AI bubble, even if all their exposure is through debt instruments, crypto schemes or insurance contracts (that probably is not the full scope though), they will be hit hard when their “borrowers” can’t pay back.
TranquilTurbulence@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
That’s a very interesting deep dive. Didn’t mind this wall of text at all.
Is AMD also involved in the same shenanigans? Sounds like the AI bubble pop could also mess up the GPU market.
jj4211@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
AMD is largely left behind. They are trying real hard to pitch their MI products as an nvidia alternative, but no one is biting. Strangely some of their line is even more exotic to try to host than the highest end Nvidia gear.
So they are relatively less exposed to a crash than nVidia. On top of not doing that lending to their customers…
Nomecks@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
It’s the “Magnificent 7”: Alphabet, MS, OpenAI, Amazon, NVIDIA, Tesla, Apple and Meta
Egonallanon@feddit.uk 1 day ago
They are but not to the same degree as Nvidia.
hector@lemmy.today 1 day ago
You seem to forget about the US government, and fed, that will bail them out.
Mwa@thelemmy.club 11 hours ago
and i predict we will have another Great Recession/great depression.
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 21 hours ago
Oh jeez, sounds like its to big to fail! /$
devfuuu@lemmy.world [bot] 1 day ago
Good. Dreaming of it. They should all collapse. Since none of these peo0le go to jail that’s the minimum that can be done to balance the scales
Nollij@sopuli.xyz 1 day ago
I just want to add that the crash will take down the entire economy, not just AI and tech companies.
Simply by subtracting AI companies from the equation, the US is already in a pretty substantial recession. The process of them crashing out will make that even worse.