Respectfully, the CCP has been less of a direct threat than the US government as of late and most dont trust the government so why would they trust the propaganda? This isnt to say the CCP isnt a problem but are they as much of a direct threat to American citizens then ICE and such?.. Atm, no.
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Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I find it funny that millions of people had no problem with an evil foreign government like the CCP, that’s well known for collecting data for military purposes and spending mind boggling amounts on propaganda campaigns, controlling the app, but now draw the line at some Silicon Valley billionaire doing essentially the same thing.
I never liked the short content format so I never had an interest downloading TikTok, but I knew that I would never, ever download it when I learned that this Chinese app is actually banned in China. They a have a separate clone of this app that’s exclusive to China that uses a different algorithm that promotes positive and educational content. The fact that billions of people use this shitty weaponized piece of Chinese spyware is depressing, especially when the Fediverse exists.
epicthundercat@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That’s such a nonsensical take. Because you don’t trust the US government, you’re go to thought is to hand over your data to an opaque authoritarian regime like the CCP? What kind of a bullshit false dichotomy is that? Fuck that, my data is my data. It doesn’t belong to any government, corporation, or anybody who isn’t me or someone that I explicitly give consent to use my data. That’s the principled take.
epicthundercat@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
No, I am explaining to you why people have used it. Humans do human things.
Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I still disagree with that notion. That’s not normal human behavior. You’re making it sound as if people can only process the top immediate threat and disregard the rest. But that’s not humans work. Humans are able to have and process multiple threats at once. If what you’re saying is true then nobody would care about what’s going on in Ukraine, Iran, or Gaza because these conflicts are so far away… yet so many people do even though they face problems in their home countries that are much closer, more imminent, and have greater impact on their daily lives… like inflation or climate change or increased government tyranny.
The point is that it doesn’t make sense from a logical point of view to reject a shitty government for being authoritarian and then disregard another shitty government that’s also authoritarian, if not more so. A rational person does process both as being threats for similar reasons. That’s a consistent and principled take. The one and only reason why one would cozy up to one over the other is because of ignorance, which is precisely what I think is going on here.
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
and most dont trust the government so why would they trust the propaganda?
because visually it’s not coming from the government but “independent content creators”. and regardless of who says it, people will trust propaganda that says things they want to hear, then over time, start trusting those who say that
AlecSadler@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Based on recent evidence, maybe the CCP > US Government.
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
that does not make them good, but fortunately we don’t have to accept either, right?
Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
People on here are unfortunately very ignorant on the doings of the CCP. People here don’t realize that the US hasn’t lapsed China in tyranny, they’re merely catching up. The CCP has mastered authoritarianism to the point where they’re in a league of their own.
Regardless, it doesn’t matter either way because it’s not a competition. If we walk down the path choosing between two evils, we’ll quickly find ourselves racing to the bottom, and we all lose. Luckily, it doesn’t have to be that way, we can simply reject tyranny in its entirety regardless of country, ideology, or regime.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
evil forefinger government
Okay well first that typo is staying, second I used to be minorly involved in politics (by which I mean fundraising for a homeless shelter feels and smells a lot like politics even if your goals are more altruistic) and I learned one valuable thing. The right thing morally and the right thing politically are rarely the same, and when it looks like they are you should investigate closer and reevaluate because you’re probably missing something important. That’s why government is almost always evil.
Rooster326@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
Well for starters - The United States government is kicking in doors around my area right now.
The CCP would have to travel many thousand miles to kick in my door.
Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That’s a false sense of security. The CCP doesn’t need to kick down your door to weaponize your data. It should be common sense to not trust an authoritarian regime.
bold_atlas@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
OK what is China going to do to me with “weaponized data” that is the equivalent of being summarily executed by a US death squad?
Laereht@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
But didn’t you know they’re occupying our cities! They’re killing innocent civilians and rounding up black and brown and indigenous civilians and forcing them into camps!
No, wait. That’s the us government. My bad.
Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
What a load of bootlicking crap.
It’s very simple, if you’re willing to go to such lengths to defend China using spyware, collecting your data, and using it as they please… then why not go use Chinese social media yourself? If you think China is a non threat and all the concerns people have about it are fugazi, then why not go use their platforms? They’re bigger, have way more content, way more users, and they’re better developed than the Fediverse… again why you here if you don’t value things like privacy, freedom, ownership, and control over your data? It sounds to me like you have inconsistent values.
cdf12345@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
You can’t worry about your taxes when your house is on fire man.
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
yes you can, if tomorrow you’ll be thrown in jail for your taxes
khaleer@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
Your horse were not on fire when TikTok got introduced en masse.
So yeah, look for excusses
Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That’s a false dichotomy. I’m not going to suddenly spread my ass for a shitty authoritarian regime like the CCP because the US government is going through it. If you want to lube up for Chinese spyware and data collection then that’s on you. Personally, I’m not going to let a fallacious false binary like this cloud my judgement, I’ll always strive to own, protect, and control my data from governments, corporations, or whoever.