Comment on Whoever invented the 12-hour clock never doubted that people will always know if it's day or night

biofaust@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• kamen@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  EU fella here. I’m strongly pro-Metric and yet don’t see a problem with 12-hour time. 24-hour is kind of clumsy to use in informal speech or chat/text, but I would use it in all other instances.

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  • biofaust@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I use 24h all the time when speaking, never got strange gazes for doing so. And I never remember which one is midday and which is midnight on the 12-hour time.

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    • kamen@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Well… it depends on the language too. I’m not a native English speaker, but I would use 12-hour in spoken English too - often without even appending “AM” or “PM” because it would be obvious from the context.

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  • uienia@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I don’t think it is clumsy at all, and use it all the time when speaking.

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• SolidShake@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  What’s wrong with AM/PM lol. How many countries use 24h? Honesty, because I actua lly never thought about it before.

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  • emmanuel_car@fedia.io ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It’s extremely common in Europe. I regularly get messages with “15h”, “22h”, etc, but spoken is a bit of a mixed bag, you can usually use 12 hour time and know if it’s AM/PM from context, but sometimes you need to be specific.

    Though the weirdest thing I’ve had to learn in Germany about time is, near where I live it’s common to say “one/three quarters [hour]”, instead of “quarter past/to [hour]”, so 10:15 is “one quarter 11”, and 10:45 is “three quarters 11”. It makes a little more sense when you know that “half 11” mean “half to 11”, not “half past” like is typical in English.

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    • tiramichu@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      24-hour format when written

      12-hour format when spoken

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      • uienia@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        24 hour format when written

        24 hour format when spoken

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    • sukhmel@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      But quarter of 11:00 is 2:45

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  • Lysergid@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You are trolling, right? Like, majority are using 24h.

    Disclaimer: generalizations from personal experience.

    Some nations use 12h with “at the morning” or “in the evening” in casual verbal conversations. In formal conversations it’s always 24h clock. Just yesterday I was booking an appointment at reception and they proposed me 14:45, so 24h clock, even though it is obvious that place is closed at 2:45 AM. But AFAIK some don’t use 12h even in casual speech, like Germans. Maybe Germans can confirm here.

    I think it’s language thing, I never heard of “AM/PM” in language other than English. If you want to tell time in 12h clock it’s usually period of the day, like “2, at night”, “6 in the morning”, “10 in the evening”, which is much more cumbersome than just 2, 6, 22. And imagine it in writing.

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    • witchonabike@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I’d say Germany is about 50:50 verbally, but also depending on use. If using the 12h clock, one wouldn’t say “2:17”, rather round to “quarter past 2”. The other half of people would use “14:17”. But also if talking about timetables or other occurrences where the rounding would be detrimental, 24h will be u.sed.

      Writing, I would say is about 90% 24h clock, because it’s just faster. Here, the divide would be between digital time (“14:17”) and military time (“1417”).

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    • SolidShake@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yeah man I’m trolling. I was raised using 12h and was told 24h was “military time” so obviously I assumed everyone else in the world uses 24h

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      • Tuuktuuk@piefed.europe.pub ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I would be interested in knowing whether this was said with sarcasm or without. Because both are plausible!

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  • KeenFlame@feddit.nu ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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  • biofaust@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    What is the logic for distinguishing 12AM vs 12PM? Also, you have double of every element and need 2 more sillables each to distinguish.

    It’s confusing and inefficient.

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    • BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Get rid of Daylight Savings Time first, then we’ll talk about 24 hour time.

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      • oppy1984@lemdro.id ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I use 24 hour time all the time in my job, I also have to use the time zone. I’m good with converting right now.

        Daylight savings… yeah burn the and a hex on those who implemented it.

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      • biofaust@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Right, that’s another one.

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    • Tuuktuuk@piefed.europe.pub ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Everything after midday is PM. 12:00:00.00000001 is after midday. Therefore it can only be PM.

      That’s the logic I use :)

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      • sukhmel@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Historically, the style manual of the United States Government Printing Office used 12 a.m. for noon and 12 p.m. for midnight, though this was reversed in its 2008 editions.

        I also remember there were some countries that have 12 AM mean noon, but I may be mistaken as I can’t find a source

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      • biofaust@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        You could just as well say the opposite.

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  • BlackLaZoR@fedia.io ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    In Poland we use both interchangeably. U can use whatever suits you and everyone knows just fine.

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  • fixmycode@feddit.cl ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    AM/PM requires you to change the value order of numbers in your mind: for the same calendar day, hours are, in order: 12-01-02-…-10-11 AM, 12-01-02-…-10-11 PM.

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